I'm watching what people are selling them at and I think they are crazy. Examples:
88 XR-7 in NY $15,000. Many performance and cosmetic mods
88 XR-7 in Detorit $11,000 too many mods to list
88 XR-7 in Dallas $3000, 150,000 miles, no mods or leather
88XR-7 in CA $6500 must see, 81k miles
87 XR-7 in CA $3800 116,000 miles
Is this a trend? New sellers in the summer, don't get buyers and either lower the price or decide to keep it. Or is this a new trend.
I still see a few under $2000.
It's been a rising trend across the board for 83-88 Birds/Cats. I've been preaching it for 18 months.
anyone want to buy mine!!!!!!!
lol;)
It's not a trend. It's people asking what they think their car is worth. There is no substantial basis for any of their pricing.
Have values gone up significantly at Kelly Blue Blue or NADA? No.
Have any of these cars been shown any kind of interest at car auctions? No.
There are no facts to support a supposed rise in value.
And Mike, before you even start, for every Cougar that you've seen on Craigslist that has a high value, I'll show you ten that are still in the basp00get pricing neighborhood.
Don't get me wrong. I want these cars to have a higher value as much as the next person. I think the 1987-88 cars have a better shot at going up due to their short two-year production run, a general streamlining of the shape, the high list of standard equipment, the power moonroof option, the 20th Anniversary model, and the seemingly large supply of parts available. I've said this for many years. I believe in it. I want it to happen. But so far I haven't seen it anywhere, not in the U.S., not in Canada.
Also note that the prices given are from very large U.S. cities. The price of cars in general there are high, because their cost of living is higher, their wages are higher, and their insurance rates are higher. I can't speak for all the modified vehicles, but those will always be the exceptions to the norm due to desirable high-performance parts.
What IS happening is that, nationwide, salvage yards are crushing a lot of these cars because s prices have gone up considerably over the past few years. Actually, that's happening to me right now. I still have that POS '88 Blue Max. Called a few places to come and tow it away. They don't save them anymore...it's going to get crushed. I was told this outright. It kind of hurts to know that...so I am going to strip it as much as possible, leave all the rusty parts in, and call it a day.
Anyway...fewer cars in the yards = harder to find parts. Normally.
On any given day, though, there are plenty of 1987-88 Cougar parts on eBay. Much more so, in fact, than the 1983-86 cars.
Maybe it's fear. Maybe it's nostalgia. Maybe it's being in the right place at the right time. Eventually, the prices will rise. It is about the correct time for this to happen.
But those prices are definitely out of line with the norm. It's not happening yet. Could possibly be the beginning of something. But it's definitely not in full swing by any stretch.
Don't believe me?
Full U.S. nationwide 1987-88 Cougar search here (http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/searchresults.jsp?num_records=25&search_lang=en&page_location=findacar%3A%3Aispsearchform&search_type=both&distance=0&address=44512&marketZipError=false&style_flag=1&make=MERC&model=COUGAR&make2=&model2=&make3=&model3=&start_year=1987&end_year=1988&min_price=&max_price=&transmission=&engine=&drive=&doors=&fuel=&max_mileage=&color=&keywords_display=&sort_type=priceDESC&body_code=0&certified=&advanced=&default_sort=priceDESC&keywordsrep=&keywordsfyc=). Obviously, ignore the Tiffany pricing. Look deeper...only 5 cars above $2500. Where are 3 of them? Of course, at car dealers, who always jack up pricing to build in profit on a used car.
I count 15 other cars under $2500. Several others don't have a price listed, but you can bet they're in that same price range.
Therefore I can't see how 2 cars (one highly modified, one barely over the $2500 threshold) can consitute a "trend".
The evidence speaks for itself.
Thanks Eric. I should've clarified "Trend". I didn't mean an upward trend in value. I meant a seasonal trend. Where at the beginning of the summer people decide to sell their cars for what it's worth to THEM, not what they could actually sell it for. Then later they sell it for what they can get for it.
I agree there is no trend upward in value, just upward in dreamers.
I regret not being ready to buy the 50K 88 xr7 in Phoenix for $2500 last year.
Of all places, Seattle is a great place to buy 87-88 XR-7s. There have been at least 5 or 6 I would've bought had I lived up there. All of them under $2000. So the upward trend isn't happening up there.
Eh, IMHO 20ish year old cars, who cares about em, aside from Buick Grand Nationals? Needs more time.
87 and 88 XR-7's do seem to pull a higher price than the others... TC's on the other hand have no median price.. you pay less than $3000 or pay $8000 or more..
Eric has the right idea.
Often people look at "asking" prices and say "I dident know it was worth that much!"
It's not, thats simply what there asking!
I could post mine on craigslist or E-bay for $10k... that doesent mean I would sell it for that. Yet is Would be what I was 'asking"
On that list you made Xjeffs, those appear to be "asking" prices (based on comments such as "must see, 81k miles") go back and check those adds you saw and see if anyone actualy bought them for those prices.
what is the "Purchase" price, not the "Asking" price
I sure HOPE so, but I would be suprised.
I guess I should have clarified more :D
87-88's, ESPECIALLY TC's have seen the beginnings of a price increase. All the way. And not just the low-mileage stuff. The rare models (moonroof cars, 20th Coug's, 30th Birds, etc) are showing strong "value". The others will follow suit. By 2010 these cars will have strong prices across the board.
I used to be able to trip over $100-$200 running cars every day. I bought most of them too. Now any 83-88 that runs seems to be 500+. Most good, rust-free cars are bringing $1000, even the V6's. The very top and very bottom are seeing increases. It's only a matter of time before the "middle" cars do.
I'm always looking at prices on these cars myself on Auto Trader online. Yes, there are rare overpriced ones out there, but most can still be had fairly cheap. There seem to be allot of 87-88's around allot more than the 83-86's like eric said. Take a look at auto trader on line sometime.
Here's a couple links for on line car sales. On auto trader there is only one page for 83-86's, but at least two pages, sometimes three for 87-88's. There are still plenty of foxes on the roads of Ohio it seems also. On ThebigLot, smaller known site, there is just one 87', and autohopper has no foxes.
I've noticed some of the mid to late 70's models are starting to climb, in asking price anyways.
http://www.autotrader.com/
http://www.thebiglot.com/
http://www.autohopper.com/
Check this out in Columbus, Ohio: http://columbus.craigslist.org/car/367470323.html
Another nice 88' $700.00, with white turbines, in Cleveland, Ohio
http://cleveland.craigslist.org/car/365776422.html
Yes, I do. But I can't give you more than a hundred for it right now..:D
There are two significant factors holding the value of these cars back:
1) They were dismal performers, even by 1983-1988 standards. 155 or less horsepower from a 302 cubic inch V8 might have been acceptable in 1983 when all manufacturers were just starting to dig themselves out from under smog regulation and fuel crises (yes, that's plural), but by 1988 it was shameful. Had these cars been offered with the HO V8 as an option (maybe a Thunderbird GT and definitely the Cougar XR7) they'd be every bit as collectible now as a Grand National, Monte Carlo SS, or even a Mustang.
2) While they are 20 or more years old, they don't look 20 or more years old. When you look at an '87 Monte Carlo you know you're looking at an old car. When you look at an '87 Turbo Coupe you don't look twice because it looks like any number of cars produced through the 90's. With the G-bodies people look at 'em and think "They don't make 'em like that anymore". There is nothing distinct about these car to make somebody think they're looking at a "classic" car.
These cars were so ahead of their time, especially the 87-88 models, that you could very easily convince somebody that isn't into cars that a mint '88 Cougar or T-Bird is only three or four years old. I've often had people say "Really? That's an '88?" about my car. Unfortunately that doesn't translate well into "collectible". Nobody is willing to pay premium prices for an old car that looks like a new car (in style, not condition). If people want an old car they want it to look like an old car.
In other words we have old cars that look like new cars but perform like old cars. Not exactly a recipe for collectibility.
^^^ GOOD point that you've brought up before and the comparison to the gm g-bodies is a good one! I get the same thing, friends are surprised when I tell them how old it is. As much as these are good-looking, the bland "boxy" styling is the essence of the 1980s and seeing it tugs on the heartstrings of people who were around brand new cars in that time.
Then why do 150hp Tiffany Classic Cougars (an old car built from a new car that looks like a REALLY old car) routinely go for over $25,000? That's what chaps my ass. You mean to tell me that, in order to have higher value, we have to Frankenstein these cars? That defies all logic, man...I'd love to know why those things are regarded like they are. Yeah yeah, they're limited production, blah blah blah...the fact is, they were created from a stock Cougar, and are even more polarizing than the Cougar was to the T-Bird when they were new. And they never got a horsepower increase, which, with a 342" wheelbase or whatever, you think it would have had some kind of extra power to push around that extra weight. Total anomalies.
Carm, I agree totally with your logic. People are always surprised that my cars are as old as they are (maybe they haven't realized how old they themselves are getting LOL). It just sucks that we are figuratively "paying the price" for having cars that were ahead of their time. Going by a pure Spock theory, logic dictates that the values should be going up.
The values of Turbo Coupes seem to be increasing. That's a good sign, but if it doesn't trickle down to the pedestrian versions, then the TCs become anomalies too.
Personally, I like owning a "sleeper" brand of car. It's subtle, sublime, slips under all the radar, yet has its own character. Those that pay attention, get it. Those that don't can at least appreciate that the car has survived yet is preserved better than most. They don't appreciate the initial quality of the cars, the excellent choice of materials used, the improved build quality vs. the GM competition, the smooth steering, etc. Those are things that, as owners, we enjoy but don't necessarily communicate to everyone. For me, at car shows, it's all about enlightening people one at a time. We do what we can...it's not for lack of trying. That's what this board, and Carm's site, and my site, are all about.
And that goes for power, too. I remember liking my first '84 V6. I respected it from day one, never missing an oil change, always maintaining it, because that's what my father taught me to do. And that car always treated me well. Then I test drove the black '86 V8 car...and I realized what was missing: power and torque. I didn't stop loving the '84 even after it sold, but I gained a lot of respect for the '86 as a platform for building power. Now everything has come full circle for me, and I have a 112hp V6 car right next to a 280hp V8 car. And you'd think, "Man, this is a no-brainer". But dammit, there's something about that V6. It's not fast, by any stretch...but it's so light on its feet, so responsive, so surprisingly full of torque where it's needed, you almost forget the fact that it's so horsepower challenged. It's actually FUN to drive. OK, I don't like the 20:1 steering rack, but that will be eventually changed. Otherwise it's a blast to throw around (TC sway bars front and back, new gas shocks/struts, new directional hi-perf tires). Throttle response is very good for CFI. I never thought I'd be saying that again!
So did Ford get it right with just 112 hp? You can always say a car needs more power, no matter when it was built. But for what it is, at face value, I'm having a lot of fun driving the car because I respect it for what it is. If I want power, there's always the other car. Still, I find myself looking forward to hopping into the '84 because it begs me to drive it. It wants to hit the freeway. It's almost like having a real cat...it knows what it wants, I give it to it, it's happy.
What other car from the 1980's can do that? Not many.
THAT is why we're all here. Now if we can just convince the general public... ;)
Maybe it's because the only people that bought those Tiffany cars when they were new, were people with more money than sense (or taste) and that may still be true today.
I remember the first time I saw one of those cars in person. It was on display inside the Orlando airport terminal. I was on my senior trip and I remember most of my female classmates thought it was so cool looking but I thought it was the most hideous looking car I had ever seen. Of course I was probably the only one who knew that they had chopped up a perfectly good looking Cougar to make this thing and that had tainted my opinion of it greatly. ;)
Brent
:cougarsmily:
My God! We have had this same conversation probably four times this year!
Yeah, but look at late 80's Camaros and Firebirds. Everybody knows they're 80's cars, they even have High Output V8 engines, but they don't command anymore than our cars do.
(I do agree about our cars being ahead of their time in the looks department. Especially the 87-88's. They almost have that plasticky look of 90's cars.)
Your market has a significantly different opinion than my market does on late 80's F-bodies. Around here 87-92 V6 and TBI 305 F-bodies routinely go for over $2500, and TPI V8 models (Z/28, IROC, Trans Am, GTA) routinely go for anywhere between $5-$10k, depending on condition. Even 87-92 Mustangs with the 5.0 rarely go for under $5k and if they're in any decent sort of condition go for over $10k (there's actually an '88 advertised in our local paper right now that has 150k miles on it and "requires bodywork" - Nova Scotia slang for "It's a basket case" for $4500). The crazy high prices people want for beater 5.0's is largely why I haven't done the T5 swap to my car yet - I'm not going to pay $3k or more for a parts car to do a tranny swap. 4-cyl Mustangs, on the other hand, are worth beater prices at best. If you could get $1500 for a mint, low mile '92 4-cyl 5-speed Mustang you'd be doing good.
There's also a 12k-mile 88 Monte SS in the local bargain paper for an asking price of $18,000. This is a good example of asking VS selling price - the car might be just like new (as the ad says, anyway) and it might even be a desirable body style, but the ad has been in the paper for about 8 months so far and counting. Our local market just isn't ready for an $18k Monte Carlo (and I must question whether that car would bring $18k anywhere, including B-J). Grand Nationals, on the other hand, will easily fetch over $10k locally if the car is halfway presentable...
It has torque for day-to-day requirements of in-town driving, but only that. It fees like 75% of the power is used up with 25% of the throttle. If you're accelerating normally, but decide to slip into a spot ahead, you'll be sorely disappointed when you floor it. Trying to pass a car on two-lane roads in anything but perfect cirspoogestances? Forgetaboutit!
The 3.27s in my '87 inject a smidgen of liveliness into driving, but the 2.73s in my '85 make it a turd unless you're cruising on the interstate.
Just my opinion.
However, in their favor...the '84-'87 CFI 3.8s were just as good as any other V6 during their time. The only problem was that Ford sat on its ass as other V6s began to use split port designs and blow the Esshag out of the water horsepower wise. Ford caught up in 1999 and let the 3.8 die in 2004 while still an equal with its peers.
The CFI 3.8 is making peak torque (205 lb-ft) at just 1600 rpms, while peak horsepower (either 112 or 120, depending on the source) comes on at 3600 rpms. That pretty much explains the lack of usable power right there LOL.
Back when I drove the first '84 every day, what you said about the engine was generally true. It could get to be a pain. Many times did I wish for a V8. Right now I treat this '84--an occasional driver--like I'm stepping on eggshells. I'm laying off the throttle as much as possible, not passing people, going for drives on long stretches of road, etc. In essence, I'm becoming an old person in the way I drive it. But in return I'm getting incredible fuel economy, very good performance in going from Point A to B (not like a 5.0 but decent nonetheless), and a huge return on my investment. So it's not a worthless engine by any means.
It's all in how you drive it. I'm not trying to fry the tires or carve wikked corners with it. But in those brief instances where I want to push it a little more than normal, it's responded surprisingly well, much better than I ever remember my old V6 car being. It's not perfect...still have a few bugs to work out...but for what it is, no real complaints. It's still propelling my car without complaint.
The lack of overdrive on the earlier cars is really evident. Passing gear on the freeway is MUCH better with an '87 than with an '85, thanks to the AOD vs. the older C5. The '88 3.8 is a very snappy motor. The numbers are very close to the V8 for peak horsepower (140 vs. 155 V8), and even the torque crept up (205 @ 1600 vs. 275 @ 2000 for the V8). Plus it has overdrive. So toward the end of the Fox car run the 3.8 matured into a very livable engine for daily driving. It seems all 3.8's love the freeway, regardless of fuel delivery type. I don't know...this could be argued all day, but anemic as people make it out to be, it's really not that bad of an engine. It's just relegated to living its remaining days in the shadow of the 302.
I actually agree that the V6 was good for its time - it compared quite well to the naturally aspirated Buick 3.8 found as base engine in the G-bodies (in fact it was smoother thanks to its split pin crank, and more advanced thanks to its aluminum heads, fuel injection, roller cam, and in 88, port fuel injection). When people buy a base car with the base engine they can expect base power levels. It's the V8 that I maintain was severely underpowered.
Back to values. I am bored (I have decreed this "Do Nothing Day" - a day that I plan on relaxing and doing absolutely nothing, for the first time in months) so I looked up some cars for sale locally.
I was able to find but one example of a Fox Thundercat, a 1984 Turbo Coupe with an asking price of $2k. I had considered this car before buying the lincoln, but it does not look good in the pics:
http://halifax.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-cars-under-5K-1984-Thunderbird-W0QQAdIdZ14407063 $2000
This was the only example I could find. Now, compare that to similar-period G-bodies (note the asking prices):
http://halifax.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-classic-cars-87-monte-carlo-ss-W0QQAdIdZ13982523 $9500
http://halifax.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-classic-cars-1984-Monte-Carlo-SS-W0QQAdIdZ17502478 Needs body work on rockers and quarters $7500
http://halifax.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-classic-cars-1988-monte-carlo-ss-W0QQAdIdZ16801050 $12k
http://halifax.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-classic-cars-1985-Oldsmobile-Cutlass-Supreme-W0QQAdIdZ17534518 V6, 65k miles, $8400
http://halifax.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-classic-cars-buick-grand-national-W0QQAdIdZ16391876 $25k
...And the F-bodies:
http://halifax.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-classic-cars-1985-Pontiac-Trans-Am-Sell-or-Trade-W0QQAdIdZ17658915 $6000
http://halifax.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-classic-cars-1988-IROC-Z-28-CAMARO-W0QQAdIdZ14090415 $9500
http://halifax.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-cars-over-5K-1989-Pontiac-TransAM-W0QQAdIdZ17572785 $8500
http://halifax.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-cars-under-5K-1990-pontiac-firebird-W0QQAdIdZ17453786 $3000
http://halifax.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-classic-cars-1982-Pontiac-Firebird-W0QQAdIdZ17450748 V6 $3500
http://halifax.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-cars-under-5K-Pontiac-Firebird-W0QQAdIdZ17042388 V6 $3500
http://halifax.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-classic-cars-1988-Firebird-Formula-5-0-litre-W0QQAdIdZ16810224 $5900
http://halifax.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-cars-over-5K-1988-IROC-Z-Camaro-350-MUST-SELL-I-HAVE-A-NEW-CAR-W0QQAdIdZ17453090 $8500
http://halifax.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-classic-cars-1989-CAMARO-Z-28-IROC-Z-W0QQAdIdZ17427169 $7900
...And finally, the Mustangs:
http://halifax.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-cars-under-5K-1990-Ford-Mustang-LX-Hatchback-W0QQAdIdZ17376636 4-cyl $1850
http://halifax.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-cars-over-5K-1990-FORD-MUSTANG-LX-W0QQAdIdZ17556472 5.0 $9000
http://halifax.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-cars-over-5K-1990-FORD-MUSTANG-5-0L-5-SPEED-W0QQAdIdZ17443144 5.0 $7500
http://halifax.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-cars-over-5K-5-0L-Cobra-T-tops-Red-Mustang-5-Speed-W0QQAdIdZ17222920 $8500
http://halifax.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-cars-over-5K-1992-mustang-gt-convertable-W0QQAdIdZ17093138 $12k
http://halifax.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-cars-over-5K-1990-5-0-Mustang-Cobra-W0QQAdIdZ17045444 $5900
http://halifax.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-classic-cars-5-0-mustang-convertable-W0QQAdIdZ16953334 $7800
http://halifax.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-cars-under-5K-1984-mustang-svo-W0QQAdIdZ16648476 $4999 needs work, restoration started
http://halifax.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-cars-under-5K-92-Mustang-W0QQAdIdZ16169492 5.0, car has been sitting, needs work, interior "fair"
As you can see there are two disturbing things here: First, the prices people are asking for these cars (I did not go through these ads and select the best ones to prove my point, I merely typed "Monte Carlo", "Cutlass", "Grand National", "Thunderbird", "Cougar" and "Mustang" into the search box and picked the first complete cars that showed up (in other words I ruled out vehicles being advertised as "for parts" or "Parts or repair") from the model year range (83-92 - I would have picked 83-88, but since Mustangs and F-bodies both had the same body styles into the 90's I included them). I also selected "show newest ads first" instead or sorting by price to eliminate that variable. I should also point out that for Mustangs and F-bodies I picked only the first few examples out of pages and pages of ads, compared to one single ad for the T-Bird. I know "asking" versus "selling" prices are different, but the fact is that the ads are pretty much unanimous in that G-bodies, F-bodies and V8 Fox body Stangs are commanding crazy money, at least around here. I mean, the cheapest drivable F-body was a mid 80's V6 model for $3k.
That's the second disturbing thing - there are literally dozens of G-bodies, Mustangs and third gen F-bodies to choose from, but one single fox 'Bird, and not a very nice one at that. Now you can see why it took me so long to find my car, and why I settled on a V8 T-Bird instead of the TC or 87-88 Coug I'd have rather had...
Hey Carm, I'll play :hick: The better half is taking a nap so I have a "do-nothing" half hour :D
Here's a "driver" 160K 30th Bird in town local to me. I've lusted after one of these for years. This car does not have the jacket, floormats, paperwork, etc. Yet I'm STILL considering the $1895 price.
http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/car/371578643.html
How about a pretty nice 84 5.0 Bird for $650? Sounds cheap right? Except the tranny is shot! $650 and it needs a trans. 2 years ago this was a $200 car. Now, $650 makes me want to go get it.
http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/car/368762194.html
How about an 88? V6, a few options, TC nose treatment. $1000. Did I mention it's in primer, has rust, and has generally been abused off-road? I know this car will not sell for $1000, but he'll get $500-$750 easy.
http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/car/369540872.html
Where's the rest? Simply put, not here. Not a SINGLE Cougar with a picture (and only 1 without), NO TC's. Slim pickins. Supply goes down, demand goes up.
Now for the fun part! Since I never look up those other cars, this should be fun :D
Monte Carlo SS - Only 1 for sale for $8,000. Same guy has 7 ads out on it.
No GN's.
Camaro!
Here's a 91 with a carb on it for $2300
http://portland.craigslist.org/clc/car/372563378.html
An 85 for $1700
http://portland.craigslist.org/clc/car/372349343.html
88 IROC for $1400
http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/car/370618259.html
See? The TBirds (and Cats when they're listed) hold their own with the TPI cars.
Here's two near Olympia on Craigslist this week. The one in Puallup is temping because it black just like mine.
http://seattle.craigslist.org/oly/car/369283764.html
2.3 Turbo coupe w/ 133957 miles
Needs some TLC, It has a few dings & scratches, ceiling felt is coming down
No stereo, 900.00 OBO
360-459-1879
http://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/car/369214616.html
1987 thunderbird turbo coupe - $800
87 turbo coupe drives great but performance is down I think its the mass air flow sensor power goes flat after 4000 rpm car is 20 years old so there is wear and tear great fixer upper lots of parts avalible on ebay to get it back in shape 253 370 8988
If these were Mustang Coupes they would be 3k plus.
TED
i sure as hell hope not. if i wanted a car the public thought was cool, id have bought a mustang. :beatyoass:
You'd think that, except in some cases the supply goes down because nobody bothers keeping them. Sadly, that has been the case with our cars for a good 15-20 years. The supply is getting smaller every day but it's still not at the point that it can't meet the very limited demand. I'm not saying that they haven't hit the bottom and started to bounce back, but they've got a long way to go before they start bringing "Mustang money".
I just grabbed a really nice '88 XR-7 up here for $1500 So there are still cheap ones out there.
I'm glad these cars are cheap. Makes it easier to have a variety. My cats aren't investments and I really don't care if they stay the same value. I'd like them just as much either way but staying cheap allows more in the fleet.
They are low-cost, not too common (around here anyway), and still look good.
I've been watching these for a year and I'm sure they won't sell for that much. They would probably sell for 33-50% of the value. I was simply asking if there was a trend of dream pricing at the beginning of the summer, sell pricing at the end.
Post those in "Leads" forum when you see 'em. I am avoiding cars from the rust belt though.
I post a bunch that I find including an 88 XR-7 in Vegas with leather that the guy just dropped the price to $500 cuz it's been on his lot for so long.
:p
You can still find some with almost no rust around, just not too often.
I'm with you 99.9%. I do plan on buying some junk ones in the future once I have a place to take them apart. An investment for the rest of the cats in the fleet.:D
i dont feel so bad now,, i thought this 87 gold tc for 1500 was a little high priced,, but everything works on it. Its just been sitting for about 9 years.
1500 a good deal on a tc?
I find that the dream pricing occurs during the summer months and sell pricing comes around in the winter months. At least where I live.
Forget about our cars for a minute but think about all 'project' cars at least 20 years old. There's a local publication that comes out weekly around me and in the automotive section, classic cars are in fact more expensive throughout summer than in the winter months.
It seems that people get tired of their cars in the months were they can't do much with them so they sell them to get rid of them. Then when summer hits, they get all fired up because everyone is out with theirs so the sky is the limit if they want to sell it.
That's funny you say that, because around here, no one wants to work on their cars in the Summer, and the ideal time to do any work is in the Winter.
And my '69 Fairlane Cobra still won't bring what the 428 Stangs do and are far rarer, so basically figure it ain't gonna happen...
Unfortunately
"far rarer" = Less Popular
“Less Popular” = Less Demand
“Less Demand” = Less $
And
Less $ = Your Right (“it ain't gonna happen”)
And what I find funny about the comparison in the Birds to the Monte Carlos values. Weren’t these the two body designs used in NASCAR at the time and the Monte could NOT catch the Bird due to the flat back window? Chevy finally came out with the Monte Carlo Aero Coupe (http://"http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1987-Monte-Carlo-SS-Aero-Coupe-With-T-Tops-L-K-Orig_W0QQitemZ130134054578QQihZ003QQcategoryZ6171QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem") to get there aerodynamics in line with the Bird to have a chance?
Somebody told me that story about my 88 T-bird.
Seems dominating NASCAR would add some value being the winner and not the Looser!
(ps. I have owned a Monte SS, they aint so hot, They are just geared like a tractor. My 84 before the OD tranny came out in 85 had a top speed of about 90. )
Hey, someone answered my original question. Thanks, that's what I thought.
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