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Chuck and Eric, thank you for pointin out the lock differences, i didnt know FORD changed systems, or that the keys operate differently from the early cars. would have been a highly disappointing discovery to make on my own.
Eric you mentioned interchagability between round and rectangle door cylinders. will they interchange from similar year cars(mine is an 87, so ill use it for example)? if the round and rectangle do not interchange, i will hafta keep that in mind as i search for another set.
On mine the difference was in how they attached to the linkage in the doors, unless I'm just completely unaware that the lock cylinders will come out of those housings. My doors are an '84 and an '85 and I want to think the door cylinders I got were from an '86. I wound up just reusing the '83 "illuminated" door locks.
Can you be a little more specific Eric?
AFIK all double sided key door locks interchange back into the '60s(includes lighted and theft system types)... The linkage arm on the assembly is held with a "C" clip... Remove clip and lever flips over for right or left side operation...
BTW...
Eric the pre '86 types have FIVE pins not eight... I've re-pinned locks to fit a good set of keys more than once(on the five pinners)...
And going further there are five different size pins in those... I used to have a supply of pins in numbered bins pulled from passenger door locks(those usually weren't worn badly).... Also had a "V" shaped key reader that would give size pin to use...
Therein lies my confusion..there was no way the lever arm on the original lock was going to fit the ones I got.
I need to try and find them and snap a pic.
if i can find the keys my black car has the locks in it, but i dont know for sure if my dad still has the keys. when im down ill look, but dont hold me to it.
Well quite possibly there are some I haven't seen, really haven't messed much with locks recently(like in 20 years)... I do have a lighted set from a '88 TC, I'll take a look see(if I can find them)... Hey that rhymes... :hick:
Back in awhile...
Yeah, it's 5-pin for pre-'85, and 8-pin for '85-88. I was going off memory...checked my notes and what do you know, Tom hits another home run. :)
A square illuminated lock will fit in a regular lock hole, IIRC. But I think it has a different length rod that attaches to the latch mechanism. Generally that stuff can't interchange. I've got a whole bag full of door lock stuff that I'll try to remember to dig up when I get home.
I do recall messing with the latch quite a bit in my old '88 Sport, which had illuminated key locks and keyless entry. I believe the whole latch mechanism is different for those cars. There is a unique wiring harness that snakes over to all that stuff, and part of it attaches to the latch (ground for the illuminated entry light). For some reason that car kept killing power door lock solenoids about every six months, so I was always in that area of the door. Never did find out what the cause was...sold the car, problem solved. ;)
Chuck... Thought I was goin' crazy... Was defiantly a scary Senior Moment...
Well Eric, you're going to have to take it from here, I don't see the set of '88 locks I thought I had... A buddy was going to get them, but I thought he'd changed his mind... Anyway they ain't here...
I'll make this easy, I have a SET of locks for an 87 TC. Lighted and non. Solves your problem. :D
there you go! mike to the rescue!!
ok, time for some history, and the reason this all came about...
when i purchased my car from the hillbillies i was given one aftermarket ignition key, half cut. no trunk key, therefore no glove box, and the ignition key wasnt cut for doors, so ovbiously not helpful there.
it looks like the car had been stolen/repo'd at some point as the column is busted slightly around the ignition cylinder.
so i am in need of a complete lock set, though not desperate as i do have a workin ignition key.
my door locks are rectangle and illuminated FWIW. i am deletin all the fancy schmancy functions on this car, and if regular round locks would work, id use them, but it sounds like they wont. thanks for that heads up!
this wasnt intended as a wanted add, but i appreciate the offers for help puttin together a workin lock set, lemme know what you got ;)
Pics...you can see that the square ones are designed to use the same hole, but the backs are definitely different (although I might be missing a piece back there LOL):
(http://www.coolcats.net/ximages/locks01.jpg)
(http://www.coolcats.net/ximages/locks02.jpg)
yessir, looks like the part that attaches to the lock rod is missing from that lock.
ill grab a pic of mine here, brb
*goes out to garage to disassemble driver's door on the car he is supposed to be reassembling to move to the new house*
ok, here we go:
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c73/gmby23/DSC00404.jpg)
they will interchange i removed the lighted ones from my t/c and used the 86 round locks.no differances other then shape and no issues as it locks and unlocks fine.
Those are TOTALLY different from the earlier ones like on my doors. Those are like what was sent to me.
Perhaps if that arm was attached they would have worked, but lacking those, there is no way the early arm/c-clip will fit those.
Very true... Guess I didn't pay enough attention to that '88 set I had...
wow, i can't believe i missed this thread.....
here's my :2c: (not that anyone is listening anyway)
i have an 83 (at least the wife does)
one of my locks didn't illuminate, so i went to the junkyard and got the door locks off of an 88 cougar... although they fit the hole perfectly, they didn't mount on the rod the same way, so i rigged them to work using E-clips... then i realized that i now needed 3 keys so i went back and got the ignition key..... that ALSO fits, however the "key in the ignition" chime doesn't work now because they made those differently too...... so now, i have 88 ignition and door keys and an 83 trunk key..... and they all still work, but i mostly use the keypad to unlock the doors..... i'm sure i didn't shed ANY light on this subject, other than to say that i still have the 83 ignition and door lock cylinders, but i don't know if they'll help you...
it doesnt help my current lock situation, but it does reinforce the pattern we are findin here.
looks like the 83-5 locks interchange and the 86-8 locks interchange, but early to late poses issues.