How do you get the rear seat back out of an 87 bird? I see what appears to be 2 brackets going behind the seat belt mech. but they seem to be impossible to move. I am trying to leave to go to the jy and get some new seats but want to know what I will be up against in the middle of a jy. Thanks for the help
You have to remove the seat bottom first (push in, lift up). Where the rear seat belts attach to the floorpan, you'll see a T-50 Torx bolt. The top seat back has metal tangs that attach to those bolts. So you have to remove the T-50's...which sometimes is much easier said than done. On older cars those bolts are often stuck like a mofookie in the floorpan. Just be patient. Once those bolts are out the rear seat back just unhooks from the top.
You are right! There are two brackets behind the seat belt mech. and they are impossible to move! :)
They are held on with some T50 bolts that go through the floor. The back ends of these bolts are usually rusted solid.
I had to use heat to get them out of my base model but I grounded the tops off on my parts car.
It's not a problem on our RUST FREE southern cars...
Yea, those are the rotten bolts I am looking at right now. I guess the plan will be to go get the fronts and the rear lower and see how the bolts are on the car in the yard. I can grind or heat the ones in my car here but will hope for the best on the car at the j/y. I will post some pics once its done as the car at the j/y has a near perfect interior. Its that late 80's w house red but atleast it will match the car. Thanks for the help as always.
Well here are some pics of the seats I got today. This brings us to my next question. These seats are power lumbar also and my original were not. When I removed the pass seat from my car I found a harness coming thru the floor that is attatched to a bracket and seems to just dead end there with the plug also on the bracket. Could I be so lucky as to just be able to plug in to the seat harness and be good to go? Figured I would ask first since I am not a big fan of car fires. I will be going back at some point with a torch to get the rear seat back out as the lovely bolts are rusted worse than the ones in my car which I didnt think possible. Anyhow here are the new seats and if anyone has any thoughts on the lumbar deal let me know.
You should be able to I would think. I had the same power lumbar in my 88 TC parts car. I didn't try to swap it though
I agree with Turbocoupe500,our Sothern cars don't suffer the same illnesses as you Northern guys.
Grab the harness from the car you got the seats from for the power lumbar.
On that note, I should have the harness for the power lumbar out of the TC parts car. I'll check and let you know
My car came from Edmonton, a very northern place, and those torx bolts still had their treated finish when I took my seats out with a plain Mastercraft swivel ratchet. It's not about how far south you are, it's about how much salt the car sees.
It doesn't look like this, does it?
This is the plugs and relays for power locks.
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(http://www3.telus.net/neat/pics1/power-lock-relays.jpg)
True, but the roads are seldom salted this far south... So even beaters are generally rust free...
Once and a while one that's lived at the ocean front will be rusty... Had a '80 Monza that the door skins flapped from being down at Sandbridge(ocean front residential section in southern VA Beach)... Good running little car, only 65K but a POS body wise...
I hear that. Believe it or not, there aren't any rusty cars on the roads in Nova Scotia. That's because we have annual inspections and if there are any holes through the body it cannot pass inspection. So that takes care of the roads. There are more rusty cars parked in back yards than drivable ones in the driveway, though.
Want to see rusty cars?
Come to Western Canada! Or look at my signature..
Rust in Western Canada? You don't even know, man. ;)
No it is similar but different. That is there but there is more. I am starting to think at some point in this cars life it had a power pass side seat as what I found really resembles what I found on the drivers side (which is power). I dont know the history on this car but feel pretty confident I have treated it better in the year I have owned it than the previous 19 of its life.
Cured the frozen bolt dilemma, got pissed and snipped em.
If there was only one (per side) then it's most likely just for powering the seat motor (A), there is another seperate plug that powers the lumbar (B).
Brent
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Brent, thats the deal. Is that part of the body harness or is it something seperate. I dont feel like going thru a lot to make it work. I dont want to dismantle the car at the j/y as the guy who owns the j/y is a friend and gave me a good deal on the seats(free) and I dont want to push my luck for when I really need something badly.
On my car it is attached to the power seat harness, but it could be just piggybacked to it and may be a seperate harness by itself.
I'll pull my carpet up this weekend and take a closer look at it.
Brent
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The seat harnesses are different. the power lumbar wires are ran inside of the seat harness but all they do is snag power and ground off the power and ground (imagine that) for the seats.
CougarSE, if I read that correctly then I should be able to make a harness myself ..... shouldnt I ? Other than not having the proper plug, which I think I can get still. I am torn as I dont like having an option on the car that doesnt function, even though in this case it wasnt there to begin with
For what it's worth, here is the harness with the carpet pulled up.
I couldn't find my EVTM to see where the plug gets it's power from, but I would bet he is right.
As long as you get 12V to the lumbar motor, it should work fine.
Brent
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thanks for the pic