Had a little "mini-meet" tonight at PIR. Ted came down from Olympia with his TC, John and I drove Layla, and Jim showed up with his 88 TBird 5.0. All 3 cars passed tech! :D
Jim's 100% bone stock 2.73 geared car went VERY consistent 17.5's@77-78 MPH. It looks AWESOME lowered on Bullit's.
Ted got a new personal best of 13.6@102 and joined the 100MPH club. Unfortunately it slowed down into the night. We're going to play with the carb for tomorrow (500ci Cadillac Big-Block).
Layla made 6 passes. 15.252@90.89 with a 2.35 60' was all we were allowed before she leaked us into tech failure again! Not bad for 10* base timing, 42#s fuel pressure, and only 19 psi in street trim. The tires sucked and she spun HARD through 2nd. John made 2 passes so I got to watch her go down. It was very useful for tuning and drivability. I'm pretty darn happy.
I even got my 13.9@101 :D :D :D
(In Ted's car :P )
Anyways, it was a GREAT night. We managed to get 4 members together and 3 cars on a one-week notice. Nobody broke and everybody made some good passes! We're doing it all again tomorrow!
We decided to actually "plan" for one in September and try to get a dozen or so cars.
Yea that was a blast. I wasn’t planning on running but at the last min figured WTH. I’m glad I did.
It’s nice to have that 17.5 number as a starting point so I can see what any mods I do it the future will add. Not real sure I’ll be down there tonight as I have prior commitments but if I get those fulfilled I’ll see if I can make it. Also going to see if I can talk Timmy into showing with his 5.0 stang, I’d like to see what that actually runs.
Jim,
It would rock to have you again! Don't forget to throw up a pic of your best timeslip ;) Maybe we can bump that timing tonight? :D
hey what kinda tech we gonna have to pass.... i know i wont have to worry bout much cept having seat belts and no leaks...... if i need a helmet i can come up with one.
Yikes, drag racing with 2.73's. Did you make it all the way down the track in 1st? :P
Seat belts work, seat bolted down securely, battery secured, no leaks. Helmet not required until 13.99.
I expected a little more from Ted's Bird, but sounds like you guys had a great time...
So how bout today???
Hehehe...
You guys sitting down?
Ted came out with the Caddy-Bird again tonight and John brought the GTO. It was an all-out slugfest! End result? 13.098@106.91 for the GTO (still stock!!!) and a 13.185@104 for the Caddy-Bird! The Goat got a 1.988 60' but Ted was cooking with a 1.87! Well, I should say I was cooking. Ted let me take a few passes and managed a 1.87 60' and a 13.323@102.85 with an .021 light ;) That was only the 2nd time I've ever driven his car!
Ted is the new #6 overall on the list! #1 Big-Block car as well! Even my 60' in it would be #8 and since I don't have his timeslips I'd only be guessing. The run I did looks like this:
RT - .021
60' - 1.870
1/8 - 8.528@81.41
1/4 - 13.323@102.85
His best ET run went:
RT - .343
60' - 1.893
1/8 - 8.451@83.11
1/4 - 13.185@103.97
He also trapped over 104 on the last 2 passes! He got the .18, a .22, a .28 and at least 4 runs in the .30's. We leaned the secondaries out 2 steps (7% overall) and dropped the air pressure in the DR's to 25.5psi. His car runs like a top! Starts every time, rides great, just a really awesome street car!
The GTO's best was 1.988 60' with a 8.494@84.84 1/8 and a 13.098@106.91 1/4! John absolutely shattered the previous record for the car. Couldn't be any happier then that!
Ted ran his car vs. me in the GTO, he went a slower 13.329 to a 13.314 but got me by .0501 from the tree. Then he ran against John, who immediately went down to a slower 13.729 vs a faster 13.604, but John schooled him on the tree to eek out a .0355 margin of victory! The Ted let me run the TBird and I took John back to school. .021 RT and a 13.323 to his .324 and 13.723. Got him by .7032 :D :hick: So it's Caddy-Bird - 2, GTO - 1 and Ted's itching for a rematch :D
All in all, it was the 2 best nights of racing possible! The GTO got 11 runs, Ted made around 20 tonight, and 15-ish on Friday. Jim made 7-8 passes and Layla got 6. Nobody broke and we all had a GREAT time!!!
Me, Ted, and Jim going through and passing Tech. Has to be a World Record :hick:
Jim's gorgeous TBird! 17.50@78 bone stock with a 5.0SO and 2.73's. She'd do a mean burnout though! Next time we'll get him to dump all of the "weight" floating around his car and bump the timing ;)
Ted's INCREDIBLE Caddy-Bird! You have to drive this car to truely appreciate how well-sorted it is.
Layla of course :D She dropped 1.5 seconds of ET with 2psi more fuel pressure. I NEED to fix the rear main seal and really try to tune it. 6* timing is nothing at all and 92MPH in the 1/4 is a high-14. 60's are 2 tenths slower then stock so tire investment is a must as well.
This was the most perfect weekend of racing ever. All of you guys who were close but didn't come really should have. We'll be planning a Aug/Sept meet this week to give 2 months worth of "heads-up" time. See you there!
Yee Hawwww... Great pictures... To bad I'm on the other side of the world...
Could have been a real slug fest, as my Bird times are similar to Ted's and John's... I'd have to slipped one in on the bottle though, as I'm a sore looser... :D Jim's Bird is just a knock out on the Bullets, defiantly makes up for lack of go power...
Aren't those DR pressures are a bit high??? I generally run 18-20psi in my Nittos... Guessing Ted is itching to squeeze a little more out of the 500 and get a 12 sec run...
We tried 22 and they got greasy. The Nitto's like higher pressures so 25 is where we stayed. Can't argue with 1.87 60's! I did get Ted to lean the secondaries down 2 sizes. He did it 1 size at a time and the car responded great!
Next time he's trying every trick in the book! But then so will John ;)
Tuning notes:
Ted (Cad-T-Bird 500) - Leaned 2 sizes (7%) out on the secondaries in the carb. Dropped tire pressure from 28 to 22 then back up to 25. Changed to slicks and back to the DR's (the 10.5 tires on 7" 10-holes did not work). Used front 83-86 spare rims (track allowed, they worked great). Shifted at 4500-ish.
John (ThunderCougarFalconGoat) - Dropped tire pressure down to 26. Pulled spare/jack/misc. Let it cool 30 minutes between runs. Loooong burnout. Shifted at 6,000. Launched at 4,500 slipping the clutch. 3/4 tank of gas.
Jim - Pulled spare/jack. Pulled DIRTY air filter (fix that Jim!) :D . Next time we're going to bump the timing and make him clean the car out. He was VERY consistent though. Be a GREAT bracket car!
Me/Layla - Dropped tire pressure to 28. Upped boost to 17-19. Upped fuel pressure to 42#s (that ALONE dropped her from 16's to 15.2@91+!!!). Didn't have a chance to play with anything else. Cam is at 4* advanced, dizzy is at 6* BTDC. She's gone 350 miles on 3/4 of a tank including all the drag racing :D .
Yeah that 1.87 sixty ain't bad, his car has some low end grunt...
Maybe I ought to go back up on my pressure... Hell at 25 PSI I could drive to the track and back and never touch a thing... Well other than the ride control switch to loosen up the front(rear shocks are unplugged on firm)...
Thanks Mike for a great week-end!!!! The Portland track is great and the people are wonderful. They loved the T-bird, they always let me go first in line for some reason, all the ricers had to wait.
I think that 12 is there and I may have done it if I did a bit more tuning but I was too into driving. I had a very strange bog half way down the track like it was running out of gas, but only every 3 time or so. Mike thought it was running too rich and I thought he was nuts. But I reduced the jetting down 4% and it got better but my times went to a very tight range around 13.3. Then I lowered it down another 3% and got my best run of the night and no more bog (except for the 2nd to the last pass of the night). Then the last pass was my 2nd best of the night and it ran great. Go figure.
I came prepared with springs to adjust the timing curve and did not do it. I had a timing light and never adjusted it from the 35 I started with. Next time I need to do more but I was having too much fun.
Also had a set of slicks, 10.5x28, that were mounted on 7 inch 10 hole rims. These did not work at all, 60' foot were all over 2. Mike said that the tires were all over the place on take off, need wider rims.
Racing the GTO was nothing but fun, we were neck to neck. Only difference was that the T-bird was in drive shifting at 4500rmp and the GTO had a manual shifting at 6k plus.
Just to remind people; My Cad-T-Bird is running a stock 75 short block with low 8 compression. The heads do have larger than stock valves but no porting (I got them used and they did a terrible job). Stock cast iron exhaust manifolds with full 2 1/2 exhaust and turbos, very quiet. Comp cam 235 duration @ .050. Edelbrock performer manifold with stock Q-jet carb. 3.08 gears with F-150 posi. Stock turbo 400 transmission that I pulled out of a 75 Cadillac and put a shift kit in, not rebuilt.
I do not think that low 13's are too bad for a car that idles at 700rpm.
Thanks again Mike for a great week-end. I will have to take my wife shopping in Portland again.
TED
Ted,
Thank YOU for coming down! It's awesome to have another car be soooo close! You'll definitely have to take the wife shopping again ;)
Here's an observation from the other forum;
[COLOR="Red"]1. 5.8fastcat - 1987 Cougar, 5.8/AOD, T70 turbo, and slicks - 10.90@126.5
2. Lightningbird - 1987 Thunderbird, 5.0/C4, 250 shot, and slicks - 11.62@117.73
3. Cougar5.0 - 1987 Cougar LS 20th, 306/TKO 5-Speed, MT's, bolt-ons, and KB Blower - 11.962@117.94
4. TurboCoupe50 - 1988 Thunderbird Turbo Coupe, 5.0/AOD, 85 shot, and DR's - 12.231@112.19
5. polarcat 87 - 1987 Cougar XR7, 5.0/AOD, HCI, and DR's - 12.792@105.5 (2007)
6. Cad-T-Bird 500 - 1987 Thunderbird Turbo Coupe, 500 Cadillac/TH400, bolt-ons, and DR's - 13.185@103.97 (2007)
hmm... turbo, NOX, blower, NOX+turbo for #1-4.
I think with some tunning (maybe the gears and different tires) and practice, you'll make #5 in that list [/COLOR]
The Cad-T-Bird did not do too bad NA. Maybe shot of funny gas should be in my future.
TED
Looks like mine with bullits :hick:
:punchballs: :punchballs: :punchballs:
Bob Myers
Tell me about it Bob! Oh well, 91-92MPH and 2 15.2's with py 60's slipping all over the place is a decent baseline. Especially at such low timing and boost! As soon as the truck's fixed I'll drop the trans and replace the rear main. A new flywheel and an aluminum driveshaft go in at the same time. And a driveshaft loop too just because :D
The other passes were all just driving down the track. Took 2 passes to figure out to turn the fuel pressure back up. :hick:
19lbs of boost is low?!?! LOL!
It is for an SC50!!! :hick:
Couple more pictures
I'd like to run, but both the rear main and transmission are leaking now. At least I got much further on them headlights this weekend!
well aero keep us posted when the aug/sept meet will be... ill see what i can do to bring a lowly 3.8 peg leg 2.73 cougar up there for fun.
Yay!!