General => Lounge => Topic started by: Jim_Miller on June 22, 2007, 11:49:44 AM
Title: Women Shouldent own Turbo Coupes?
Post by: Jim_Miller on June 22, 2007, 11:49:44 AM
Ok I should be working on my house right now, But I can’t resist stirring the “kettle of enlightenment” on this subject.
In this thread http://www.foxtbirdcougarforums.com/showthread.php?t=14494 (http://"http://www.foxtbirdcougarforums.com/showthread.php?t=14494") I mentioned purchasing a TC for a daughter “From a generic car buyer (not a bird enthusiast) like looking for a car for my teenage daughter.....” and got this comment…
Daboss351: “and who in there right mind is gonna look at a car running 19 psi of boost for there daughter! unless they wanted her to crash! not to mention its a stick!”
Where I responded with info on the Force Daughters.. That was followed by another comment..
DakotaEpic: “Dude, the Force daughters are hot. Lol and Hell, I'd say they probably didn't have the typical upbringing that most daughters get when it comes to cars. We have a person at work who bought their daughter an Audi RS6 for her 16th, and about 4 months after she got it drove it into a ditch because she lost control of it.... not saying that a daughter can't own a fast car, just saying that they probably shouldn't just be handed one before being taught how it handles and whatnot.”
Now for the sake of not jacking Ether947’s thread I would like to continue this conversation here.
Excuse me gentlemen but you are both TOTALLY out of line on this!
As the father of two boys ages 21 and 24 and also a daughter age 19. I would hand a high horsepower car over to my daughter in a second before I would either the boys. You imply that boys are ‘taught” to handle high horsepower cars and girls are not, you imply girls can’t drive a stick, you imply that a girl given a high horsepower car will run it off in ditch because she will loose control of it. LOL your INSANE!!! :flip:
My daughter is 100% more reliable, has a TOTALLY more sensible head on her shoulders. Has never had even a fender bender. She drives a stick (possibly daughters in your area don’t have Left feet to push clutches or right hands to operate stick shift’s but here in Washington most do!) My daughter would have the sense to respect the horsepower, she wouldn’t have the EGO that would require her to flaunt her testosterone all over the street and drive like an idiot. And this reflects in Insurance cost. Check the cost of insurance for this car for a straight A Female of 19 years old and compare it to C average boy of the same age… the boy will cost close to TWICE as much, and for a REASON!!
Boys are egotistical little maniacs that THINK they know everything about cars and THINK they are better drivers because they, well… They have a pen 15! I WAS one in my 20’s and I RAISED two more! My 21 year old son took his brand new ranger out and I guess he didn’t realize that snow was slippery (suppose MY fault, I forgot to tell him that) and slid off the freeway at 60mph in the snow. And there isn’t a female bone in his over inflated, macho, "man " sporting testosterone pumping body! My other son has already wiped out his hot rod German built Dodge Neon in a 120 mph broadside down the Autobahn because well he can do it because he’s has a pen 15!!!
Chill your testosterone gentlemen and look at it not for what your ego WANT's (or your pen 15!) but for what REALITY is!!
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Post by: Ifixyawata on June 22, 2007, 12:03:41 PM
Jim, you've gotta remember... daboss351 is like 15 years old. Not saying that his age automatically disqualifies him from having his say or anything. It's come up a couple times on here before that others feel they have better knowledge of parental decisions than the parents do. I think it'd make a great car for your daughter, we need more females interested in these cars. (We need more level-headed people, period). And no, not because 'intaerweb gurllz R SO HAWT' but because the auto enthusiast scene is so saturated with testosterone.
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Post by: daboss351 on June 22, 2007, 12:06:20 PM
well think of it this way would you rather put your daughter in a safe dependable civic? or a turboed car pushing 19psi, that would light the tires up through first and second gear? not saying a girl cant handle it, im just saying dont think that would be a good first car for any teen, and i wouldnt want it as a first car either that thing must have some power, and id get in trouble with it, i only made that comment because you mentioned looking at it for a first car for someone. i NEVER ment it as, o a girl cant drive it, its to fast and its s stick shift, only a guy can. I ment that its NOT a first car. and yea im 16, thats why im not getting my mustang as my first car, its got to much power for me, hell the lincoln more then likely will have more then i need. you took what i said the wrong way. and i ment by its a stick shift car, having to shift is another distraction for a first driver, thats why i stayed away from buying a standard.
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Post by: LittleAngel1198 on June 22, 2007, 12:07:39 PM
WOOHOO!!! You go Jim!!
First of all, I'd have to guess that neither of these guys has a daughter in the first place. If they did, I doubt they'd be so shagist.
I have 2 sons and 3 daughters. The youngest daughter is now 8, and this will be her 5fth attendance at Cat Jam. She knows her way around when it comes to car shows.... she has been going to them since she was 3. We have a "1 foot" rule. She can't get closer to a car than 1 foot, if she needs help seeing into it, she asks for help. This child was looking at a Hemi engine a few years ago and about made a guy pass out because she said it was a 'big engine'. She was about 4 at the time, and the guy was shocked to hear her say something like that. Our oldest daughter (now 14) was out helping her dad work on the car at about age 10, she was grease from head to toe, and loving every minute of it. The comments these two guys made prove that there are some 'boys' who shouldn't own high powered cars, or stick shifts.... because they are too full of themselves to handle them.
I'd love to see them have their asses whooped in a race by a girl. Oh, and by the way guys... girls know really well how to handle sticks..... they have to deal with "D" 'sticks' all of the time.
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Post by: LittleAngel1198 on June 22, 2007, 12:10:51 PM
A civic?? PUHLEEZE!
I'd rather any of my daughters drive a bird or a cat, stick or not. A civic is going to rumple like a wad of paper in any sort of serious accident. Birds and Cats at least have a more solid body/ frame structure, and I believe are much less dangerous than some little piece of Honda.
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Post by: Ifixyawata on June 22, 2007, 12:18:26 PM
Daboss... his daughter is 19. It will not be her first car. Read his post.
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Post by: slamedcat on June 22, 2007, 12:20:02 PM
Its not one way or the other. You need to know your kid before you buy them a car. My oldest is just turned 11 this year and hes asking me if he will get the Cougar or the Bird when he starts to drive. I told him neither. Its too much for a first time driver.
I had to prove myslef to my parents before I had a car and what did I get when I did get a car. I got a 2.5L auto 89 Lebaron. Dead slow to say the least. I had that car for almost 4 years hefore the engine finally gave out. In those 4 years I got to watch my 2 older sisters that are 3 and 6 years older than me go thru 7 different cars total between the two of them. My parent would just buy htem a new one. I had to buy my second car on my own so I chose what I want. I got my 88 Bird.
The fact is that guys insurance is more because of the type of accident they get into. Girls get into the oops I bumped your car in the parking lot type accidents. Where when a guy gets into one its usually the I slammed into another car doing 85 in a 35 which made him go flying off the road and hit a bus full of nunes which then burst into flames.
Its a fact of life male testosterone takes over the brain of most 16-21 year old guy when they get behind the wheel of a car.
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Post by: daboss351 on June 22, 2007, 12:21:45 PM
he siad in ethers post if he would be looking to buy a car for his daughter never said an age i assumed as a first car, thats what i made my statement against. i only used a civic cause girls think there cute around here. i dont see how? but sorry if i offended anyone, im not shagist! i would put my child in a bigger american car, but everyone around here hates these old fox bodies, i love them!
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Post by: Ifixyawata on June 22, 2007, 12:27:41 PM
Quote from: daboss351;156249
i inly used a civic cause girls think there cute? i dont see how? but sorry if i offended anyone, im not shagist!
You contradict yourself in those two...three? sentences. Saying "Girls think Civics are cute" is a pretty shagist remark. And if not, it's a at the least a very broad statement that can't possibly apply to every female. Judging by Jim's excellent taste in cars, I'll go out onto a limb and say maybe a FWD econobox isn't his daughter's dream car.
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Post by: Billyf17 on June 22, 2007, 12:43:21 PM
He clearly said "around here"....which was cut out of the quote...for some reason...... So that in itself disqualifies the notion that every female thinks it. And saying girls think or guys think or kids think is a lot easier that going out and giving every single person a survey and then coming back saying, "In the immediate area, 82% of 16-19 year old females say the Honda Civic is a cute car." Anything and everything is shagist or racist anymore. A lot of people are overreacting. Let's not bring over played drama that plagues CNN here.
That being said.....
I made my girlfriend buy an 88TC for her first car. And I plan to convert it to 5 speed and bring the engine up to about 300hp.
Her second car....which I also made her buy, because it was a steal, is a 95 Mustang GT. And SHE plans on supercharging it and putting a 5 or 6 speed into it!
My point being... my GIRLfriend rocks! And girls...........people can have any car they want as their first car if they have the right head on their shoulders.
Also my insurance rates reflect that I am not a typical 16-21 year old... I pay 120 a month for full coverage on my 02 SUPERCHARGED COUPE and my 84 TURBOCHARGED COUPE. It's all about the company and how you act while with that company.
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Post by: LittleAngel1198 on June 22, 2007, 12:43:58 PM
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The fact is that guys insurance is more because of the type of accident they get into. Girls get into the oops I bumped your car in the parking lot type accidents. Where when a guy gets into one its usually the I slammed into another car doing 85 in a 35 which made him go flying off the road and hit a bus full of nuns which then burst into flames.
I can not disagree with that more. It's not because of 'what kind of accidents they get into'. It's because they are boys, plain and simple. It's a rather shagist thing, but it's because most boys are known to be more of a hot rod type than most girls. Girls are thought to be more responsible when it comes to driving. I don't necessarily believe that to be true, but it happens.
Just last year one of the girls from our school, a senior, was killed by her own stupidity. She was driving too fast and talking on her cell phone, she went off the road, struck a phone pole and was killed.
A few years ago, there were two boys from our school killed because they were driving too fast and their truck went over a bridge....both killed. Kids just need to be taught how to drive, and how to do it safely. It doesn't matter if they are boys or girls... all teens do stupid things sometimes, and they never think they are going to get hurt from it.
It's the parent's responsibility to teach them and make sure they can be trusted to be safe before being allowed to drive on their own.
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Post by: bhazard on June 22, 2007, 12:49:51 PM
My TC was my first car. Its a stick. It has power. I did some stupid things in it, like pushing 130 down mile-long county roads. I still do stupid things in it from time to time. I guess it doesnt really matter though, since Im a guy.
I learned to drive in my moms 96 Mark VIII LSC. It was an auto, but it was just as fast if not faster than my TC. I did some stupid things in that too. Like 130 down mile-long county roads. I hit the governor in that thing a couple times. Also did some n00b driffin, as in... going off the road. Yeah.
Doesnt really matter though cause Im a guy.
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Post by: Ifixyawata on June 22, 2007, 12:52:29 PM
The 'around here' part was not in his post when I quoted it. I don't misquote people.
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Post by: 302 PWR on June 22, 2007, 01:06:19 PM
Why Turbo Coupes? I haven't driven one so I don't know how fast they are.
A fast car is just that a fast car. It all comes down to your driving ability, it doesn't matter on what shag the driver is but how they do behind the wheel. I've had a couple of close calls with my Cougar but I had even more close behind the wheel of my '91 (3.0 auto) Maxima. I tend to take driving easier with my Cougar and just kind of cruise around, sure I speed and race people but its not a constant on the pedal all the time thing.
To answer the question any women can buy the car they want, it just depends on their driving ability and what they know they can do.
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Post by: Ether947 on June 22, 2007, 01:07:12 PM
Well since it was my car that started this I guess I'll say something.
Personally, I wouldn't let my daughter or son (who is 4 btw) drive my TC unless I know they can handle it. It does not behave like normal car. It is not a car merely for transportation. It is for an enthusiast plain and simple. It can and will quickly get someone into trouble real fast (myself included) if they do not know what they are doing. Now a stock TC? Most cars rolling off the line now will crush a stock TC.
As far as the stick comment, DaBoss should know better. Hell, his mom has an 03 Cobra. My mom taught me how to drive a stick. I taught my best friend (a guy) how to drive a stick. He taught his sister how to drive one and two of his friends (one guy and one girl) how to drive a stick. Had a girl not started the whole thing off most of that would not of happened. Whether you are shagist is a matter of debate. But your comment surely was. Anytime you lump a group of people together as such there will be an "ist" attached to it. Think about that the next time before you speak.
Why would you get worked up over anything DaBoss says? His Rep Power is abysmal! lol.
Oh and my fiance almost bought a Civic because she thought it was.... "cute". She got an Accord instead. It was cuter. She won't be driving my TC anytime soon. =/
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Post by: oldraven on June 22, 2007, 01:27:42 PM
It depends on the parents and how they raise their kids. I've known some pretty "ballsy" (for lack of a better word) females who drive like today is their last day on earth. But there weren't many. The same for guys. I know some who have never touched the floor with their right foot. Again, not many.
I know my daughter, at two, is already showing signs of being a motor-head. Just yesterday she asked her Mum if they could 'ride in red car'. She's frantic when she hears a motorbike go by. Screaming 'MOTORBIKE DADDY! MOTORBIKE!'. She was on her back next to her uncle Carmen, watching him fix the 'boys' quad. 'You doing?'
If you raise your daughter to be more delicate than wet paper towel, then I'm sure she'll be unable to handle anything more than a smart car. Personally, I don't want to have to change her oil for the rest of my life.
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Post by: ipsd on June 22, 2007, 01:34:30 PM
I thought the Turbo coupe was more of a Chick car anyway. The big car lots of room for kids and food. Then you hae that power seat that can smash you into the Windshield. I love mine either way. So if a chick wants to drive a turbo coupe LET HER! I do believe that Cindy Lauper Said it best " Girls Just Wanna Have FUN! So let them have there fun. Maybe just maybe she'll take you out for a RIDE! LOL I'd let the wife drive mine but with so much work into it I don't want it to be her fualt that is broke so she doesn't have a key to it. She drives like a madcrazy woman any how.
PS. oldraven I can see the look the the youngins eye's She's ready to go for a tire burning camaro eating trip to the gas station.
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Post by: slamedcat on June 22, 2007, 01:39:01 PM
No the Beach Boys said it best:
And she'll have fun, fun, fun, 'Til her daddy takes the T-Bird away.
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Post by: ipsd on June 22, 2007, 01:47:33 PM
But if you are anything like me NO ONE is every taking my T-bird Away.
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Post by: JeremyB on June 22, 2007, 01:48:05 PM
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I thought the Turbo coupe was more of a Chick car anyway. The big car lots of room for kids and food. Then you hae that power seat that can smash you into the Windshield.
How is that any different that any other Thunderbird? :hick:
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Post by: yellow86coogr on June 22, 2007, 01:53:55 PM
Jim. Love your post. LOL I stopped reading after the 1st few post. Too long for me, today anyway.
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I thought the Turbo coupe was more of a Chick car anyway.
Birds are for girls. "REAL MEN", drive Cougars....:cougarsmily: ....hehehehehe:shakeass::birdsmily:
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Post by: LittleAngel1198 on June 22, 2007, 02:56:21 PM
Ok, I still have my spanking privlages Victor! Now... what do I drive??? :evilgrin:
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Post by: crystal on June 22, 2007, 02:57:15 PM
LMFAO, you guys are great and trust me you're around the wrong car forum to say "chicks can't drive"! If that's your attitude you can kiss my cute little ass!
Now that the initial bite me is done with think before you speak. My cars consist of an 88 TC 5 speed which I enjoy beating the out of, don't believe me check my head gasket post, 25+ psi thank you and I tore it down and fixed it when it blew up. Did I lose control and throw it in a ditch, nope, I calmly pulled over and took pics going "that was awesome!" I learned to drive stick in an 87 TC, never drove stick, just bought the car, had my MOM drive it home and took it out to learn one morning. Within a week I had the gas pedal get stuck on the floor and did I crash it, nope, shut it off, threw it in neutral and clamly pulled in to a parking lot. I know GUYS that have crashed automatic cars when that happened.
Next up we have my 87 Sport. It was a nice lil aod car until my friend helped me put a T5 in it. When I left in the morning I shifted it so nice his dad thought it was one of his other buddies that drives high power big block trucks.
And then there's my 84 SVO... guess what 2.3 turbo 5 SPEED. Notice a trend here?
Last but not least for cars is a 79 Ranchero, huh an old carburated car *gasp* whatever will I do! Drive it, what else. No five speed, but I do plan on a turbo 300 I6 swap in to it.
Now that covers the cars, I also have an 05 Kawasaki Ninja 500 and an 89 Yamaha YSR50. If 5 speed cars are bad then bikes have to be even worse, right? I may have crashed the ninja but what I found out when I pulled it apart to adjust some things was that the dealership I bought it from screwed up and the forks were more than 1/2" off of level, not good!
And guess what, not only can I drive, guess what I do for a living... I restore and build custom cars! I have multiple welding certifications including an Aerospace TIG certification.
Was I raised on cars, hell no! My sport was my first car, My parents wanted to buy me a neon. I earned credit at a speed shop and was taught by an old hot rodder and some freinds I've made along the way. If a girl wants to learn, trust me, there are guys that will teach her.
Tomorrow I'm going circle track racing at Angola Speedway, I guess I'll have to post pics as evidence that a girl can drive.
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Post by: slamedcat on June 22, 2007, 03:00:12 PM
Quote from: yellow86coogr;156278
Birds are for girls. "REAL MEN", drive Cougars....:cougarsmily: ....hehehehehe:shakeass::birdsmily:
YA because you know real men like ........... Well you get the picture. :hick:
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Post by: nirvanagod on June 22, 2007, 03:11:40 PM
Quote from: crystal;156282
If that's your attitude you can kiss my cute little ass!
:hick: :evilgrin: :hick: ;)
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Post by: daboss351 on June 22, 2007, 03:25:37 PM
i wasnt mis quoted i added the around here so i wouldnt seem like i was generalizing. i never ment by the plus its a stick comment that girls cant drive sticks, BUT i ment as a first car for ANYONE thats a TEENAGER, why would you look at a moddifide standard turbo coupe. that was IT, nothing shagist, nothing saying that they couldnt handle it, but why give someone the power they dont really need?
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Post by: crystal on June 22, 2007, 03:32:46 PM
My first car was almost a turbo coupe, but that one in particular was a POS and I found the sport first. It's a 190 hp rwd car, that's not a fast car, sorry and you should know that if your interests include "making things go fast". If I hadn't gotten the sport it would have been another t-bird or a mustang (only decent cars I could talk my parents in to).
And btw, having a car that can get out of its own way is not a bad thing, sometimes it's the ability to stomp on the pedal and get out of the way that saves your ass, again something you would know if you had more driving experience.
Can all girls drive, NO. can all guys drive, NO. Should all people own fast cars, HELL NO! but if your a parent and willing to buy a decntly fun car for your kid, you obviously have a little bit of respect for them and that's great, get them the fun car, trust me, thay'll thank you for it later.
I will have kids some day, I will have a girl, and I'll make her as much if not more of a hellion in a car then me, can you say junior dragsters?! :evilgrin: And yes, same goes for any boys ;)
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Post by: DakotaEpic on June 22, 2007, 03:36:07 PM
Lol I never said they can't drive a stick. Hell, I have a few girl friends who know how and are like I need to teach you how to drive a 5 speed blah blah blah...
Also I didn't know your daughter was 19 and that it wouldn't be her first car. I was basing my equation or girl + horsepower = bad off of my experience of 16 year old crashes Audi into a ditch because she was showing off and lost control. Hell, even if I had a son, there's still probably no way I'd start him off in anything with more than say 150whp. I know If my first car was the T/A I'd have probably gotten a lot of tickets. Either way, I suppose ultimately you are right, because I don't have a daughter and I don't know what it'd be like.
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Post by: daboss351 on June 22, 2007, 04:10:39 PM
i would never say they cant drive stick, hell my moms drives the 04 cobra thats a stick, i stalled it out 3 times yesterday and gave up. My car isnt FAST fast, but its will be not bad once im done with a few little things my brother got stuck in a 95 ford escort with a 95? hp 1.9 i got a 88 lincoln with 225hp 5.0 ho! and im the lead foot of the family!
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Post by: LittleAngel1198 on June 22, 2007, 05:07:33 PM
Actually, I wish we had a stick shift so my kids could learn to dive that first. I didn't learn to drive one till I was about 23. The only problem I ever had and still have with them, is sitting on an upward hill, but, I was getting better at it before we got rid of the Aspire.
I have 2 nieces and 2 nephews who had to learn to drive stick before they could get their licenses. All of them had stick shifts for their first cars too. It's good for everyone to know how to drive one. That way you can pretty much drive anything you may need to.
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Post by: oldraven on June 22, 2007, 05:34:11 PM
I was wondering when we'd some some Crystal Smackdown. They've now been told, and from the responses I wonder how many of our cars were built with pedals in the back. I see there are at least two here. ;)
I've got to disagree with buying your kid something powerful for a first car. The fact is, no matter how trustworthy you think your kids are, the time will come when they try to show off for whoever is in the car with them and a mistake will be made. Sorry, my kids lives are too costly to take that risk. Teenagers are teenagers. Boy or girl, it matters not. I'm sure every one of us here remembers a close call from when they were in their first car, if not an outright accident caused by teenaged supidity (an affliction none of us escape). One where you know you're lucky to have escaped with your life. My kids will have at most four cylinders in their first car, which I'll buy for them, and no power adders. A standard is important, but they'll know how to drive a stick long before they get their license.
Every teenager hits the limit in their car at some point. I'd rather that limit be 100mph than 150.
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Post by: daboss351 on June 22, 2007, 05:38:50 PM
mines 116 limited. now to find that limiter......
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Post by: Tbird232ci on June 22, 2007, 06:00:54 PM
*shakes head*
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Post by: Ifixyawata on June 22, 2007, 06:29:41 PM
Top speed for teh win!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by: stuntmannick on June 22, 2007, 06:48:16 PM
Ughh, if you think that she has the mental capacity to operate a TC, go for it. A 19yo chick driving a TC would be hott.
P.S. WE NEED PICS :D
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Post by: daboss351 on June 22, 2007, 06:49:34 PM
i was kidden if you didnt know, i doubt ill ever have my car at 116, never mind higher, anything more then 20 over speed limit(thats pushing it) is ment for a race track. no need to risk other lives, and your own.
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Post by: Thunder Chicken on June 22, 2007, 07:20:53 PM
I just kinda skimmed over this (I agree with OldRaven - NO kid should have a fast first car. I did, and I'm surprised I survived), but about thta "Girls think Hondas are cute" statement: Honda seems to think so. They have a commercial with two girls arguing over whos Civic is better, and one says "Mine's cute". The other says "Mine's cuter". And it goes downhill from there...
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Post by: crystal on June 22, 2007, 07:27:31 PM
Sadly a lot of girls want to buy "cute cars" I hunted down a 98 VW bug for my mom when my brother adopted her intrepid. Why the bug? Cuz it was about as cute a car as I could find and that's what she wanted.
I don't consider any of the fox cars fast, but the only time I was actually afraid something terrible was going to happen to me in mine was when I lost the brakes going 70 down the highway with traffic and the 3 lanes were merging in to 2 (construction I didn't know about). Luckily it was about 2 weeks after I got the 5 speed in the sport and downshifted out of it. Problem: rusty hard line blew out.
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Post by: Prototype Services on June 22, 2007, 07:27:31 PM
Crystal, I think I love you.....
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Post by: crystal on June 22, 2007, 07:28:54 PM
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Crystal, I think I love you.....
LOL, I'm just a car girl, nothing special. Basically one of the guys but nicer to look at ;)
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Post by: daboss351 on June 22, 2007, 07:31:52 PM
maybe they arent fast, but we were talking about a modified one, now if it was a stock turbo coupe, then maybe it would be an ok first car. and yea your pretty awesome! its had to find girls the are into REAL cars
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Post by: SLEEPER T-BIRD 87 on June 22, 2007, 07:54:23 PM
what a thread!
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Post by: Quietleaf on June 22, 2007, 07:56:29 PM
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I just kinda skimmed over this (I agree with OldRaven - NO kid should have a fast first car. I did, and I'm surprised I survived), but about thta "Girls think Hondas are cute" statement: Honda seems to think so. They have a commercial with two girls arguing over whos Civic is better, and one says "Mine's cute". The other says "Mine's cuter". And it goes downhill from there...
Honda's are (allegedly) reliable, but am I the only one who thinks they do a true disservice in their marketing and styling? It's like they're trying to make liking bloodless, soulless, cars a virtue. Their cars have no character to my eyes...it's like anything and everything "fun" gets sacrificed on the altar of practicality, there is no middle ground. Like I said, a true disservice. I also wonder if there is some sort of twisted "chic" in some circles about owning non-American cars, but don't even get me started there...
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Post by: cougarcragar on June 22, 2007, 07:58:46 PM
I'd like to throw in my thoughts:
Like many guys here, I did some stupid stuff in my first car. I think the rear end spent more time hanging out than it did being in line. And, yes, I found the top end in that car once or twice. With that being said, driving is like anything else - it takes practice to become skilled at it. While men tend to push the limits in their cars, women tend to take it easy. That's just a fact, but there will be some outliers in that particular bell curve. Therefore, I think that female drivers at a young age tend to be safer than male drivers at a young age. Again, there will be some outliers (like Crystal). That's not to say females will react correctly in an emergency situation more often than males. I think males will win here, as they've already learned how to counter-steer and what-not.
On a side note: I think daboss351 should be limited to 10 posts per thread. That is all.
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Post by: daboss351 on June 22, 2007, 08:04:59 PM
i was only covering my ass, i dont wanna be seen as a jerk, and i made my sig smaller also i only have 8 posts in this thread:flame:
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Post by: gumby on June 22, 2007, 08:12:11 PM
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i was only actin like a cat converin shyt on a linoleum floor in an attempt to cover my ass
fixed :hick:
FWIW, anyone can have a fast car and screw it up, its all in what/how you are taught. also, EVERYONE should learn to drive in a manual transmission vehicle. it helps teach the workings and limits of a vehicle
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Post by: oldraven on June 22, 2007, 10:51:25 PM
Quote from: crystal;156336
LOL, I'm just a car girl, nothing special. Basically one of the guys but nicer to look at ;)
Nicer to look at, eh? Have you seen me in tight corduroy?:shakeass:
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Post by: crystal on June 23, 2007, 12:01:52 AM
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Nicer to look at, eh? Have you seen me in tight corduroy?:shakeass:
LMAO, nope, but haven't I seen ya in a kilt? :moon: Not too many people have seen me in a dress or a skirt so I guess you win there, lol
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Post by: bhazard on June 23, 2007, 12:05:15 AM
Oh no...
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Post by: DMC24guy on June 23, 2007, 12:05:16 AM
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I also wonder if there is some sort of twisted "chic" in some circles about owning non-American cars, but don't even get me started there...
There is...trust me on this one. I run into those s all the time. Swear up and down, left right and center that Honda's are the Sh*t and American cars are just that....Sh*t. No evidence to the contrary can convince them otherwise...it's just a sick mentality that makes my blood boil.
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Post by: P71 on June 23, 2007, 12:10:43 AM
The only reason I'm with my girl (for 3.5 years now) is because she OWNED a TC. I saw it advertised in the paper and tried to buy it. Instead I got the girl and the car. The car's gone now (we miss it) but she still has a more powerful car then most (2001 Grand Prix GT) and does not hesitate to drive John's 400HP GTO or any other car around here.
Women can be just as good, or better, drivers then men. My sister Becky knows how to rock crawl and trail better then 90% of the males (she grew up 10 miles form the Rubicon). My other sister Risa is only 12 and she already knows how to start the engine in grandad's 7 second n/a dragster. She sits in the pen 15pit and works all the controls while the rear end is on a stand for warming it up. She'll be a better drag racer then me, and that's saying something.
That being said, if I ever have daughters (or sons) they will all start their driving careers early. Shifter carts and Jr. Dragsters. Once they can prove responsibility with a clunker for year they can buy whatever kind of car they want. (With their own money like I did)
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Post by: Jim_Miller on June 23, 2007, 03:55:08 AM
Quote from: daboss351;156346
i was only covering my ass, i dont wanna be seen as a jerk, and i made my sig smaller also i only have 8 posts in this thread:flame:
Well you’re not doing a very good job of it.
I was mentioning this thread to my fiancé and I mentioned the quote “and who in there right mind is gonna look at a car running 19 psi of boost for there daughter! unless they wanted her to crash! not to mention its a stick!” and she asked me to relay a secrete to whomever said something like that….
She said that….
Women have a tool to help them counteract this “handicap” of not having a pen 15; it’s called a TWO BY FOUR!!!
I believe this tool to be the modern day equivalent of a Cast Iron Frying Pan
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Post by: amooset on June 23, 2007, 05:41:55 PM
I'm probably beating a dead horse here, but I get really angry when I have to pay higher premiums BECAUSE I have a pen 15... I got into it with an insurance rep one time. The best answer I could get out of her is "It's not stereotypes, it's statistics." I must be an outlier in their stats. I've never been in a major crash, and my driving record is good. Just because I have the potential to take risks, doesn't mean I will.
Anyway, back to the argument at hand. It's a biological fact that men posses better depth perception and generally better vision. It's also fact that women have a better perception of color and have a lot better visual memory. Which one of these affect your driving? The color of the car in front of you or the distance from it? I believe that males have the driving ADVANTAGE, but this doesn't mean it's going to be used. In a situation with two identical personality types, the male will most likely be the better driver, not only due to the visual difference but also the male thought process. We are problem solvers and action takers by nature, a necessity in daily traffic.
What do I believe here? EVERYONE sucks at driving. Men because they're too stupid and have an inherent need to kill themselves at high speeds, women because they're easily distracted by pretty colors.
I drive a bus for living, and I see WAY too many people that shouldn't have a license. Especially foreigners, but that's another story for another time.
Bottom line here: Don't buy a car for your kids at all... Make them earn the money and maybe they will value it more and WON'T make stupid decisions on the road.
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Post by: Blackout on June 23, 2007, 08:24:27 PM
Screw it. Ashley Force. Dannika Patrick. Nuff said i think.
I vote for Lock
LOL
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Post by: HAVI on June 23, 2007, 08:59:58 PM
Actually, when women get over their fear insincts, they lose that fear completely. When men get over it, they always have doubt ie. some fear. So technically, women make better drag racers than men.
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Post by: LittleAngel1198 on June 23, 2007, 09:21:45 PM
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In a situation with two identical personality types, the male will most likely be the better driver, not only due to the visual difference but also the male thought process. We are problem solvers and action takers by nature, a necessity in daily traffic.
Actually, women usually think of the consequences before doing things, more so than men do. Most women are usually more careful about what they are doing, whether it be driving or cooking, whatever. Men have a tendency to to take more risks than women do, therefore having a tendency to drive faster, and a little more reckless. I'm not being shagist or anything, it's just the way men and women are made. There are exceptions to the rule, but for the most part thats how it is. I don't believe it has much to do with what either sees better than the other. I think it's more about how we are made.
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Post by: 20th anny 5.o on June 24, 2007, 09:05:18 AM
I'm not trying to say that your daughter is like most statistics Jim but girls insurance rates are catching up to mens (at least here in ohio) because they are doing the dumb shiznit that males do. Im not going to lie i have 5 tickets under my belt for doing some of the dumbest shiznit around and my insurance payments reflect that. Personally and i have told my father this i think that the 87 cougar was too much for me to handle (for a first car)at 18 for 4 reasons.
#1: I was 18 #2: It was Rwd #3: 150 hp #4: I knew that i would be stupid with it.
Im not trying to tell you how to run your daughters life hell if you think she can handle it f*ck what everyone else says here she sure as hell is not our daughter she is yours. Considering that she is 19 that must mean that your around 45 or so im sure you know whats good or not for your daughter you have known her for 19 years ;).
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Post by: oldraven on June 24, 2007, 10:37:25 AM
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Bottom line here: Don't buy a car for your kids at all... Make them earn the money and maybe they will value it more and WON'T make stupid decisions on the road.
Good points (and depth perception would be 'how we are made' LittleAngel) but I bought my first car. Luckilly the only thing I could aford and had access to at the time was my parent's Subaru Justy. I bought it, payed to have the engine rebuilt before I could even drive it, and do you think I went easy on it? No.
I was still a 17 year old boy. I beat on that car, rallying it on logging roads when I had the chance (it had a full time 50:50 4X4) until the brakes literally fell off it. I was late for church one morning and took off as quick as the little I3 could push. When I parked it that day, after I got home, the brakes failed. Nothing. I pumped them until they finally locked solid. Later I noticed something on the ground across the road. Severelly worn brake pads; metal being worn off and 'liping' over the edge of the base plate.
The same goes for my second car, to be honest. I was more careful with that, since I spent a good amount of money fixing the VW and didn't want to have to do any more for a long time. Even still, I had it up to terminal velocity a few times on the Trans Canada, loved to do the one legged burnout, and e-brake slides on back roads. When I think back to some of the cliffs on those roads....... well let's just say I get a fever thinking about any child of mine pulling such a stupid stunt.
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Post by: 302 PWR on June 24, 2007, 11:07:30 AM
I hate my one legged burn outs! I'd rather have these py rims for years than a rear end that doesn't spin both tires!
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Post by: Jim_Miller on June 24, 2007, 11:44:25 AM
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Im not trying to tell you how to run your daughters life hell if you think she can handle it f*ck what everyone else says here she sure as hell is not our daughter she is yours.
[/COLOR]lol I'm not buying a car for my daughter! She is working for a collection company as a receptionist! She has her own 2000 Kia Sephia that she bought and got her own financing (built her credit herself with us cosigning for her credit line at LesSchwab for tires on her Nissan Maxxima beater she started with that SHE bought for $400) she pays her own insurance and has moved out and has her own apartment. Actually she wouldn’t want a Turbo Coupe with 19psi of boost she would rather have a Civic because there “cute”!!
I simply mentioned in another thread while talking about the value of another members car that IF I was buying his car like some normal dude out buying a car for his daughter…
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From a generic car buyer (not a bird enthusiast) like looking for a car for my teenage daughter.....
so what my daughter has to do with all this is I said “Like looking for a car for my daughter”
And I was met with a comment from Daboss351
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and who in there right mind is gonna look at a car running 19 psi of boost for there daughter! unless they wanted her to crash! not to mention its a stick!
[/COLOR] So as not to Hijack the other thread I started this one directed to Daboss351 and DakotaEpic that I disagree, a pen 15 is NOT required to operate a car with 19psi of boost or a Stick. :beatyoass: Somehow these two gentlemen think having a pen 15 makes them better qualified to operate a performance car than somebody without a pen 15.
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Post by: Jim_Miller on June 24, 2007, 11:56:18 AM
Quote from: amooset;156440
It's a biological fact that men posses better depth perception and generally better vision. It's also fact that women have a better perception of color and have a lot better visual memory.
If those are indeed "Fact's" you should have no problem substantiating that with proof. I would like to see something claming this as “fact” besides you. (Please)
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Post by: 20th anny 5.o on June 24, 2007, 12:26:39 PM
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lol I'm not buying a car for my daughter! She is working for a collection company as a receptionist! She has her own 2000 Kia Sephia that she bought and got her own financing (built her credit herself with us cosigning for her credit line at LesSchwab for tires on her Nissan Maxxima beater she started with that SHE bought for $400) she pays her own insurance and has moved out and has her own apartment. Actually she wouldn’t want a Turbo Coupe with 19psi of boost she would rather have a Civic because there “cute”!!
Ah ok well people i know here and some of my friends try and blast me for buying that 99 cougar and im simply trying to do the same , get some credit going. Hell i applaud your daughter im 21 and still at home because i cant seem to get a job that lasts longer than 6 months (f*cking temp services). Thank god i just got it refinanced.
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Post by: daboss351 on June 24, 2007, 12:49:13 PM
jim, you completely turned what i said the wrong way. I said that statement as being for a first car. the stick part is more of what i got from my father and mother, then wanted me in an auto so id have less distractions while driving. i never ment a girl couldnt drive a fast car, or a standard, i just ment that a MODIFIED turbo coupe, would be a BAD first car for a young person. i should have choose my words better, hell the car i bought is not a good first car, its got way more power then i need, but I bought it with MY money, and im fixing it with MY money, thats why i bought it. im sorry i set off a gigantic argument because i wrote something the wrong way. im done arguing, so let it go.
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Post by: Jim_Miller on June 24, 2007, 01:10:50 PM
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im simply trying to do the same , get some credit going.
little trick I learned that I passed on to her and I'll share with you if ya want it.. if not then ignore it. Good way to build credit I heard about when I was trying to repair mine. LesSchwab and also Target (ask for the in House Credit ONLY, they offer both)
Both offer… easy to get credit from. Small purchases. Report to the big three.
A loan from a place that does not report does absolutely no good for your credit. A loan that has potential to default on does no good and possibly does damage.
Get a Target IN HOUSE credit card, charge a $1.50 pair of socks, Pay that $1.50 off the next month and that goes on your credit score as a “paid as agreed” , buy a pair of socks a month. Amounts are irrelevant, “Paid as agreed” is what you’re looking for. $1.50 pair of socks from target, $200 set of tires from Schwab, or a $5000 car.. what’s easier to do?
My daughter took this advice and charged new tires and a battery for the Maxima. She owes less than $50 on the account (paying off early does no good either… she just keeps paying her $25 a month, NEVER misses, NEVER late. And when she went to buy her Kia… they looked and saw two accounts, both open for nearly a year, both reporting “paid as agreed” she just got financed at 11.5% for her Kia at 19 years old.
Very Proud of her.. and I WOULD trust her just fine with 19lb of boost.
My youngest son did it HIS way and went straight for the Ranger 4x4 he got 29.9% and his payment was $490 a month and his insurance was another $420 a month.. he wrecked it, then let it go back to the finance company! I don’t think he even has a pair of socks not to mention can finance a pair….
BUT HE HAS A pen 15!!!
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Post by: Jim_Miller on June 24, 2007, 01:56:37 PM
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jim, you completely turned what i said the wrong way. I said that statement as being for a first car.
I did nothing of the sort Daboss. And I have been quoting you exactly as you said it.
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and who in there right mind is gonna look at a car running 19 psi of boost for there daughter! unless they wanted her to crash! not to mention its a stick!
[/COLOR] Now in this thread here you have been backpedaling like crazy or as you put it “Covering my ass” or as Gumby put it (lol GOD I love this one!!)
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actin like a cat converin shyt on a linoleum floor in an attempt to cover my ass
[/COLOR]ß That’s funny shiznit right there!! Trying to twist what you said into something LESS offensive. Nobody ever said anything about “first car” you specifically said “daughter” and “her” you said nothing about inexperience or first car in your quote neither did I so don’t sit here and lie to me and claim you meant something you didn’t.
I Believe you did not intend to be shagist, AND I believe you regret saying it now. But that’s not the point nor does anybody any good. I’m not angry with you, (this is funny shiznit, reminds me when I thought my pen 15 made me superman!!) I don’t believe anybody else is angry with you either, and if anybody is arguing it’s you all in a effort to avoid simply stating “Opps, that was wrong of me to say that” you are now being backed into a corner trying to “cover your ass” and it’s not working. So you are choosing not to engage. That’s your choice. You can get nothing from this thread if you choose. In that case why even bother to respond, I hope that’s not the case. You can get humiliated from this thread if you choose: In that case I would suggest don’t read it anymore, that does nobody any good.
You can learn something from this thread if you choose: One lesson I see is there is only one thing that separates the male from the female of the species. And that’s a pen 15. Everything else is upbringing and desire. One can fight in a war, Build a house, rule a country, save a life, drive an 8000hp funny car. And NONE of those require a pen 15 to accomplish. I didn’t always know or believe this,(remember I have a pen 15 and testosterone issues also I’m a MAN!) I have learned in my 47 years that often times the easy way out when were wrong is simply to admit it. This does two things, Takes all the power from the other end of the conversation, Humbles us (were men, we got EGO Issues along with the testosterone) and restores/reinforces our honor.
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Post by: LittleAngel1198 on June 24, 2007, 03:00:38 PM
Nicely stated Jim. BTW, those of us without a pen 15, have egos too.... and sometimes we need humbling. ;)
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Post by: daboss351 on June 24, 2007, 03:15:06 PM
im gonna break what i said about not posting anymore, and ok what i wrote and what i should have wrote are completely different things, and by what i said then, your remarks are correct. i messed up. on a side note, id like to say you should see the girls that drive at my school, half of them drive worse and faster then the guys. not to show off, but because they dont care. i know a girl drives a brandy new celica gt(that her parents bought), BRIGHT yellow, she speeds more then the kid that has a 89 mustang, with a bunch of mods. she was in my geomatry class and she would talk about getting pulled over all the time for speeding and talking her way out of it(cops around here are not the greatest). I guess i made that statement from what i see on a daily basis, and by what i have read in the thread, my statement is not correct for all females.
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Post by: Jim_Miller on June 24, 2007, 05:01:58 PM
Understood, and it’s easy to group things together with that kind of obvious generality. But I noticed about the chick with the new Celica GT, you mentioned that her parent’s bought it for her. There’s a good example of upbringing, (could just as easily be a boy) probably has a daddy that will fix it for her if she has any problems and so like you said “she doesn’t care”. I used to get pissed at those spoiled little brat types. (I see it was just jealousy, wanting what somebody else had) But as time goes on I seen that sooner or later daddy can’t or won’t save them any longer. Then all hell breaks loose. I now feel sorry for somebody that has to go through that. Because it will happen. Nothing in life is free and sooner or later they will pay for it, most likely when daddy tires of it and cut’s them off or something comes along that daddy just can’t fix. For example Paris Hilton, everybody is hearing about that these days (going to jail)… poor girl, that’s just gotta be hell for her. And can you imagine her screaming at mommy and daddy when she get’s out because they (http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2007/SHOWBIZ/TV/06/08/paris.hilton.ap/story.hilton.ap.jpg) “dident F#@%in fix it and let me nearly DIE in PRISON… god you don’t even LOVE me!!!” I can hear it already.
But it’s the person, not the shag of the person.
Mike N. I went to High school with him, Mommy and Daddy bought him a 69 Dart then paid for him to build the motor of his choice for it (he was a car buff) he built a 360, duel quad, solid lifters, gear drive timing, high compression monster, that car was scary fast. The sound of that gear drive would just give you shivers as it rolled through the school parking lot. Less than 30 days after getting it running, they say the slide marks on the road stopped 30 feet from the tree and the impact mark on the tree was 18 feet in the air. The car was in two totally separate pieces. Closed casket for him and his passenger they gave his diploma to his mother.
Scott Q. Good friend of mine lived with him and his parent’s for a few months. Mommy and Daddy bought him a 70 Cuda, 340 4 speed, less than 48 hours later it was wrapped around a bridge down near long beach someplace, nobody was hurt but the car was totaled. I never even got to SEE IT and I lived with him!! So they went and bought him a 57 chev with a 4speed to replace it.. Smashed it to. Last I seen of Scott he was living as a bum in a shack out near Cougar Washington. Daddy got tired of it and cut him off, he couldn’t fend for himself.
Again, has to do with upbringing and sense, respect, etc. THE INDIVIDUAL, not the shag of the individual. But it is generally the females in our society that get spoiled (like the cops with that girl in the celica) Your parents seem smart, you have to buy you own driver and fix it up yourself with you own $ (not counting your stang but that’s a hand me down from your father.. more like a heirloom than a handout so it don’t count) in doing this it will help you learn respect for the car.. YOU know what it took to get it on the road. It’s a good thing.
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Post by: Quietleaf on June 24, 2007, 07:25:32 PM
I agree that upbringing is everything. If some of us here perceive a certain stereotype about women, then perhaps the women they've known have had a disservice done to them in their upbringing. A close friend of mine has two young girls, and I wonder about how they will turn out. My money's that they'll turn out alright, because I know him well and he darn sure won't spoil them (though he has the wherewithal to). He was brought up in a down-to-earth way, and I just can't see the apples falling all that far from the tree :D
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Post by: Sduneman3 on June 24, 2007, 07:55:25 PM
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Mike N. I went to High school with him, Mommy and Daddy bought him a 69 Dart then paid for him to build the motor of his choice for it (he was a car buff) he built a 360, duel quad, solid lifters, gear drive timing, high compression monster, that car was scary fast. The sound of that gear drive would just give you shivers as it rolled through the school parking lot. Less than 30 days after getting it running, they say the slide marks on the road stopped 30 feet from the tree and the impact mark on the tree was 18 feet in the air. The car was in two totally separate pieces. Closed casket for him and his passenger they gave his diploma to his mother.
Scott Q. Good friend of mine lived with him and his parent’s for a few months. Mommy and Daddy bought him a 70 Cuda, 340 4 speed, less than 48 hours later it was wrapped around a bridge down near long beach someplace, nobody was hurt but the car was totaled. I never even got to SEE IT and I lived with him!! So they went and bought him a 57 chev with a 4speed to replace it.. Smashed it to. Last I seen of Scott he was living as a bum in a shack out near Cougar Washington. Daddy got tired of it and cut him off, he couldn’t fend for himself.
I had a friend from high school that died about a year ago now. He was 16, and taking a girl out on their first date... and their last. He pulled out in front of a milk truck getting onto the 4 lane, about 4 blocks from my house. He was a good kid, but didn't make some of the best decisions ever.
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Again, has to do with upbringing and sense, respect, etc. THE INDIVIDUAL, not the shag of the individual. But it is generally the females in our society that get spoiled (like the cops with that girl in the celica) Your parents seem smart, you have to buy you own driver and fix it up yourself with you own $ (not counting your stang but that’s a hand me down from your father.. more like a heirloom than a handout so it don’t count) in doing this it will help you learn respect for the car.. YOU know what it took to get it on the road. It’s a good thing.
I couldn't agree more. Sure, I've done some stupid things (look at my cougar). I've gone 115 in my Camry, but it was on a straight open road, with no one around for miles. I know how that car handles, and reacts to different things.
As for paying for my own cars, I've paid for EVERYTHING!! I have more than one job, go to college full time, plus have a g/f. It's hard work, but It's not impossible.
Actually, I'll start another thread to what I just got finished with my car.
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Post by: oldraven on June 24, 2007, 08:23:51 PM
Anyone else think all that needs to be said has been said? Maybe it's time to let this one blow over.
:cheers:
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Post by: LittleAngel1198 on June 24, 2007, 08:29:47 PM
Geeze... take all my fun away why don't ya? :( ;)
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Post by: yellow86coogr on July 04, 2007, 01:44:28 PM
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sometimes we need humbling
Sometimes? :D
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Post by: LittleAngel1198 on July 08, 2007, 10:05:42 AM
No spankings for you!
umm..... you'd enjoy it too much!
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Post by: ipsd on July 08, 2007, 11:04:06 AM
You can't spank what you can't catch! Besides I have 1200 mile head start.
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Post by: yellow86coogr on July 08, 2007, 03:32:05 PM