http://www.foxtbirdcougarforums.com/showthread.php?t=14306
direct link....
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Ford-Thunderbird-Turbo-Coupe-Mustang-Powered-Turbo-Coupe-Ultra-Rare_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ6240QQihZ006QQitemZ160125915007QQrdZ1#ebayphotohosting
sorry for the repost im just blown away by this one....
Linkys no worky
sure they do.....
Must have been me, sorry:flame:
(http://i17.ebayimg.com/02/i/000/a4/00/42a6_12.JPG)
I wish my car was 1/10 that nice
i saw that car and my jaw dropped.unfreakin believable.(now i gotta go change my underwear.) I hate it when that happens. lol
now that makes everyones cars look like . thats just so shagy, so all the mods are all factory mods done by ford?
Work of art!
nice garage
That car belongs in a museum like the ones shown in this thread (http://"http://natomessageboard.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=019215") over on NATO.
Now that's one instance where I'd say the car shouldn't be driven. It's entirely TOO NEW! My mom just bought a new SUV and it's not NEARLY that clean.
Jesus Christ that's a nice car, but one thing confuses me: Why bother going through the trouble of documenting and duplicating factory paint dabs and holding onto the factory grey oil filter when the car has been substantially modified from factory stock? It's an absolutely drop-dead stunning car, but factory paint dabs on the coil springs are not going to impress a judge at a car show when the whole drivetrain's been swapped out...
So that's what the raven seats are supposed to look like. The car is astounding. I wonder how much it will go for or if it will ever meet the reserve. I'd imagine the guy wants to get close to 20 grand for it.
also freaking amazing.....!
My brother has a car like that. It's a 1997 Trans Am WS6 (Ram-Air) 6-speed. At the time when he bought it (June 1997) it was the last 6-speed WS6 in the area. It has 1500 miles on the ticker, still has plastic on the carpeting. It's very slowly rotting away in a garage. In a few years all of the seals are going to start leaking fluids and R-134. And then when he decides he's either going to sell it or drive it, he's going to have a lot of fixin' to do.
Cars are meant to be driven. That's the only way things are ever working properly, especially internal and external seals. Otherwise it's garage furniture.
+1
If i had the money to buy that car i would take it out of that garage and do a HUGE burnout. I would drive it any time it i was relatively sure it wouldn't storm. I would keep it in a garage but i dont care how many miles it has it should be driven.
hermetically sealed, humidity controlled garages are what's needed for these things, anything less and they'll fall apart.
if you go that far whats the point of owning it? its a car not a model!
I agree 100%.
But I wouldn't touch that car with a ten-foot pole.
178,xxx miles and still going. I drive my car when and where I want.
What an asshole. I was in love until I saw what was under the hood. He even had the gall to put an SVO sticker (or whatever that is) on the rad.
I'm going to go mow the lawn and try to forget what I just saw.
Right up my alley. If I had the money, I would be interested. It's not often something so clean comes along. I could do without the SVO and 5.0 badges.
2500 miles a year on the stang. Not too much, but it does get driven. The cougar? Approaching 215K on the chassis.
That is THE CLOSEST we will ever be to a factory 5.0 HO Tbird (the only difference being that it was dealer factory installed). And it even has the 140 speedo and everything...that's what I have pretty much imagined my car being, but it will never be that pristine due to it actually being driven. It's purely awesome.
thats amazing but to bad it has a 5.0 in it
Yeah too bad...it woulda been so rare and uncommon if it had the original 2.3 :hick: .
Wow!
Let me rephrase then. I wouldn't drive that car. Especially not around here.
LMAO :D
Very nice bird, I would probably pull it out and do a nice smoke show too, especially in front of the dealer just after I bought it lol.
I would drive the out of it. In my eyes that is just Trash. Why do all that to make it a other than factory original. I wish people wouldn't go to all that trouble to make it so nice when it is so messed up in the motor dept. Besides it sitting there doing nothing just makes it even worse.
if only you could beat on them, and they could stay that nice forever!
and? am i missing something
you should know sleeper loves the 2.3t, hell look at his setup!
Still an incredible car, as are the ones in that other lonk.
Hehe stick this motor in it. Can you say holy turbo header batman??!!
(http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa300/turbocoupe_2007/F.jpg)
Well there's a difference between being a big fan of an engine and dissin a beautiful car because it doesnt have that engine.
My point: There are nice TCs on ebay ALL THE TIME with a 2.3. This is the first fox Tbird I have ever seen with such a setup straight from the dealer. That's what makes the car rare and desirable. That is like dissing a '63 Corvette Stingray split window because it has the split in the window...
So I am to believe that a Turbo coupe with a V8 shoved in to it is rare? WTF that is what most people do to a turbo coupe. What makes it so rare it has a 91 5.0L in it. Those are a dime a dozen. Now a sweet looking turbo coupe that is a full flegded turbo coupe not a nice turbo coupe that has had its motor car jacked form it. Have you all ever seen barrett Jackson? If you have you would know that it makes it worthless with out the 2.3turbo engine. So yes it is a nice car but all in all just a waste to have such a nice T/c and it be such a worthless. Yes I love these Fox T-birds but that one is a total discrace to the turbo coupe name. Why would a 87 bird need to be serviced with 91 stuff? Becuse it is something that someone has JACKED up! Wasn't this very site that everyone was puppiesg about putting a Chevy motor in a Ford, well to me that is the same thing they did to that Nice ass turbo coupe.
thats a dirt track 2.3.
I love that car, but it would have been cooler to be all factory done up 2.3t, still is awesome its all factory modded though
What makes it so rare is that it was DEALER INSTALLED and has FACTORY FORD STICKERS ON IT documenting EVERYTHING!!!
Go find me another Tbird like that. Kthxbye.
Why does everyone want it to have the 2.3 when there's a pristine stock TC on ebay at least once a month?
If you're talking about the pic of the one I posted, no it isn't, it was a Roush pushing close to 1000 HP used for the Trans Am series races. ;)
LMAO, and if it is so worthless, why is the bid up to $7,500 and there is still over a week left? Hmmmm lets think REAL hard on that one...
...probably has nothing to do with what I've said in this thread about 5 times.
I'm not hatin on it just because it's a TC with a 5.0. Christ if I had one it would probaly have a 5.0. I LOVE it that even if it had a chevy 350 in it, it's a hell of alot cleaner then ANY car on here. A 5.0 thats dealer istalled is only a big bonus. the only car that comes close is Erics new V6 IMO. I mean you could eat off that 5.0
Yeah, and if anyone remembers, not too long ago I asked if any Tbirds or Cougars snuck out of the factory with HOs. The answer was no, but this specimen is as close as it gets.
That had to be a favor to a friend of a Higher up in Ford. Or homeboy had a LOT of cash to get that factory installed. Either way, it'd be a cool car to own. First thing I'd do to it'd be stick some long tubes and a nice lopey cam in it :evilgrin:
:whatever: BS!
The only thing "Dealer Installed" is the fact that the mechanics at a dealership did the work..
"Factory Installed" would imply BEFORE delivery
The car is a 87
The engine is a USED 91
it was not delivered that way with a factory warranty. (dealer installed options like you are implying do not void factory warranty's)
To swap an engine to something that was not an option on the car 4 years later is just that.. an engine swap to NON Original
it is not a Dealer Installed option.
They ruined a 5000 mile car and made it just another 50 swapped TC.
In VERY good shape.
Hahaha... wow, didn't even make the connection that the motor is a 91 when the car is an 87... doh.
Well I DID say dealer installed, NOT factory installed, which would mean that a DEALER INSTALLED IT!!! Hmmm...and you proved my point. Thanks!
And how would you explain all the Ford documentation on it? Oh, it must of been Joe Shmoe that installed it...
Like I said, go find me another pristine TC with a DEALER INSTALLED 5.0 HO in it. Come back when you find it.
Looks good but probably should have been preserved in factory condition.
Actually since you want to pursue it.. I was going by what you said that it was even installed by the dealer. Where exactly do you read "DEALER INSTALLED" ?
it says
"and all the powertrain conversion documentation"but it does not say the "dealer did the conversion". I cant find that info
Reguardless of who did it, it's f*ckin amazing. Easialy the most badass Bird I've seen in "stock" form. I mean you could jerk it to half the pictures in the sale add. We can bicker back and forth all night, it's in the end a " stock aprering" 5.0 HO TC
(http://i21.ebayimg.com/06/i/000/a4/00/470f_12.JPG)
I'd like to know how else that sticker could've gotten there...
When my dad, me, and my uncle did the HO conversion on my Tbird, I didnt get such a sticker...
I would definatly pay more for the sound of a 5.0L then a four banger, so that car would be perfect. the best part is it has got the power and sound now to match the looks. because bone stock? The TC is anything but fast. that car looks factory stock, to somebody that wouldn't know anybetter, but probably moves out nicely to boot.
And who really cares who did the coversion. They did a kick ass job, and took the time to make it look right. Koodos to them. most tc swapped 5.0Ls look hacked that I have seen, that looks factory.
nice job. and nice job guys, make another thread with more then 4 pages of bitching again. man you guys need to get off your asses and go out and work on your cars once in awhile, so that way you have something to do other then bitch and critisize others cars and mods to them.
i want to know wheres the original 4banger and tranny they have the exhaust system for it uncut. and if they are going through the trouble of saving an OIL filter then wheres the 4banger? lol. nice car either way. id rock the 5.0 or 2.3t so the guy did a dealer option that ford never offered. big woop still a nice car you can not knock the car for the swap done the correct way.
I know, it's like every car that appears on this forum gets bashed to all hell. Blegh.
You all can use the term dealer installed all you want, but that doesn't change the vin tag. Just like a thousand other swapped TC's, but in perfect condintion.
Remove the TC emblems, because it's not one anymore.
Teh Five POINT Oh Can NEVA LOOZE! NO 4-silinder is a match for the V8!!!! I'll beet N E 1 who drives a 4slinder becoz I HAVE a 5.OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
PS - Teh morr i sit on heere and bitch, teh better REPZ MY CAR WILL GET on da STREETS!
I know you can buy those stickers to replace ones that are messed up. Check your loacal body shop. I bet they can tell you where to get those stickers so you can look dealer installed too. Thats a lovely car that I would like to meet the owner so I could give him a nice fist to the face for what he as done to such a nice turbo coupe. I guess that if I built a orignial T-bird and put a 350 in it you all would just love that! Yeah right you all would want to shoot me for doing such a thing. So my point is yes it is nice but everything that they did to keep it clean and doucumented means nothing with out the 2.3T in there. I would like to see what this car woulod go for at a Barret Jakson auction with all of those dealer done mods.
$100 says Layla would whoop this car sooo bad it wouldn't even be funny. And Layla's still a "Turbo Coupe" with the 2.3T too.
As for the sticker I seen some amazing things with Photo shop also. But I have never seen a dealer option done with used parts.
I wouldn't want to hit the guy.. to each his own, it's his choice. And there is no doubt it's a VERY nice ride. So not cutting the car down any, if this is how the guy wanted to spend his cash great, (
I got a guy at work that nearly is having an aneurysm because I bought tires and wheels for my Bird instead of selling it and buying a Subaru lol.)
My point is just like ipsd says in the rest of this post. To take a car that is that nice, that low miles, that unrestored CLEAN and butcher it to something other that stock is a shame. Bids are at $7450, thats penuts.
Totally stock, 5000 miles, at Barret Jackson, would take easly 5 times that amount. possably 10 times.
But again.. his cash, let him spend it how he wants.
"every other car on this forum"? How old are you?
do you guys even remember what kind of car this is? it is an '87-'88 t bird not a '57. these cars a WORTHLESS no matter what the mileage or whether it is stock or modified. PERIOD! 7500+ is an amazing price for one of these cars. now MAYBE in 10 or 15 more years it MIGHT be worth more then a few bucks at barret jackson, but get real and wake up guys.
and IPSD your an idiot, plane and simple. Saying you would hit the guy for pulling off that nice of a swap, with HIS CAR?!? whatever buddy. You would probably wind up in the hospital for it. AND you are triing to compare apples to oranges with this car, you keep bringing up a chevy swap and saying we would hate on it. Of course you are right there! now if you had the brains to say "351W" instead of 350, you would be hard pressed to find ANYBODY on here that would dis it. Grow up! all you do is dis everybodies car on here, for one thing or another that you dont like. Must be jealousy or something.
1wld brd I'm an idot! WTF ever. Have you done the math to find out how much air is gonna come through that hole you put in your fender. Looks good but do you have any proof that is won't be a restriction. Also putting a 302 in a turbo coupe in my eyes is the same as 350 in any ford. I guess I'm just a turbo coupe lover at heart. So if you think I'm and idiot go ahead. I won't tell you what I think of you. If that turbo coupe was my car I'd swap the 2.3t back in there and make it worth more. I guess you've never seen a Barrett Jackson Auction. I saw a pinto go for $25,000.00 on there and that is a pinto. So I guess a all orignial Turbo coupe would go for way more than the $7500.00 that that car is up to. Besides 1WLDBRD you are just pissed because I was the one that pointed out that I don't think you will get enough air through you fender vent to make a real ram air effective. I wasn't doging on your car just pointing out that it might not work so well. Oh well I guess I should just let you do what ever you want even if it does you more harm than good. OH well have fun.
Just an FYI, NINE stock TC's have sold for MORE then $10,000 ALREADY in 2007 alone.
As for the scoop, it is mainly for looks, but trust me, it will be SUCKING air through it soon enough. and no it wont be a restriction. not too concerned about how much it rams in. But you just proved my point, as you are comparing apples to oranges again, a pinto is NOT a fox t-bird, so of course the prices are going to be reflective of that, Pintos are now considered classics, these car are just classic rust buckets. And no, I've never seen a BJ auction, :rolleyes: I have yet to see a TC go over the block yet though. Doubt a prestine one will fetch much more then $10K IF that, there.
As for the 9 TCs fetching $10K? That is impressive. somebody really wanted one bad. thats all that means.
I would :p but you would have probably guessed that though :hick:
I'm not all that impressed with the car. Clean? Yes. Other than that though, to me it's just another 87-88TC...and well, it doens't have enough headlights or the right dash to suit me. :hick:
It is his car though, but to tout it like he's doing is a bit much.
Since when is a Pinto a classic. I guess I missed the memo on that one.
Hit the guy? The original owner probably paid MORE to have that engine installed than 99% of the members on this board paid for thier ENTIRE CAR! Does it make it okay because he paid a lot, not by a long shot, but . You guys...
I think we should ban the posting of eBay links, craiglist ads, autotrader, etc....
Yeah...I'm going need you to go ahead and ahhhh.....read that memo again....m'kay? So, if you could get to that as soon as possible....that would be great....thanks!
Finally, you speak truth!
And THEN you go off attacking 1lwdbrd's car in a thread that has NOTHING to do with his car, which further proves the above statement. Good job on completely annihilating all of your crediblity.
I'm 12. Go into my public profile and do the math.
And yes, way too many cars get bashed on this forum. Look at ipsd's statements about 1wldbrd's car. Remember the T Bucket with the 350ci? The list keeps on going...
Also: LMAO @ whoever made the comment about putting a 350 in a Tbird. If that wasnt a
CHEVROLET[/i] engine as opposed to a
FORD[/i] engine like the 5.0, maybe you'd have a point. Oh wait...you wouldnt because it's not your car.
And like I said to you TC lovers, there are STOCK PRISTINE 2.3 TCs ON EBAY ALL THE TIME!!! Go buy one of those and shut the hell up please. I like TCs and I think it's really awesome what Ford was able to do with a 4cylinder at that time, but I'm not gonna bash a car TO DEATH just because it doesn't have the 2.3 still in it. What if someone took a 5.0 car and put a 2.3 in it and all the 5.0 lovers went into that thread and just spammed it with "WAH WAH WAH ITS NOT WORTH MUCH ANYMORE I <3 teh 5.0 teh 2.3 suxx0rz" ? It's all pretty childish in my opinion.
My car probably wouldnt sell for even 5 grand, but do you think I give a ? I enjoy the living shiznit out of my car and that's all I care about and that's all that everyone on this forum should care about. Not what engine is in it, or what wheels it has, or the options on it. Who gives a flying shiznit what the car has as long as the owner enjoys it? Now can everyone just SHUT UP PLEASE!!??
Barett Jackson is a joke to say the least.
As for the TC.
:idhitit:
There is nothing discrageful about a car that is build the way it should have been built. But I do agree I wouldn't drive it around where I live. It would either be beat to hell by others or rott out in no time due to salt.
Is there such a thing a credibilty on the NET. Not to the best of my knowledge. I don't recall bashing 1wldbrd car just pointing out that it might not work so well. Besides he was already pissed at me for point thast fact out in his tread about the fender scoop. Oh well I guess each to there own. I think that turbo coupe is nice but not the way I would have done it. All this replying back and forth gives me something to do when it is raining outside and I can't get the things I want to done because of it. Also I don't need to go buy a Turbo coupe I alreay own one. Maybe it isn't that nice but it will be one day. So slam me cut me down Does it look or sound like I car what most of you think any way. A few select members yes I do but most of the others NAAA! Once again I guess I'm not intitled to my opinion. So why should you be. Besides if you are gonna quote me you shouldn't take things out of context.
Listen, ****tard. If I like something I'll say so. If I don't I'll again say so. Don't think for a second that you have any place to tell me to shut the hell up for stating my opinion on something I see as a shame.
Show respect to other peoples' cars and other people, and you'll get it in return. It's rediculous and childish how people will DESPISE a vehicle just because it isnt EXACTLY how they would do it. It's also one thing to say "not my taste, but I respect what has been done to it" and a completely other thing to go off and bash it to hell, like many have done in this thread and many other threads.
@ipsd: You WERE bashing what 1wldbrd did. And not only that, you PERSONALLY attacked him by saying "I wont say what I think of you." Thats an easy way to lose respect.
Guess what? Not everyone has the same taste!!! WOW now THERE's a concept! Grow up, suck it up, and just respect the work and TLC that has been put into ALL of our cars. Give that respect and you'll get it in return.
There is a much better way to have replied to this thread. Here, check this out:
"That's a really clean, nice car, but I would personally have kept the 2.3."
Unfortunately, most replies were more like this:
"Wow that car is BULLshiznit without the 2.3."
You said it Skippy. So you let me know when it'll be alright for me to get tired of seeing the same shiznit every day where someone takes what is, to me, an iconic car and removes the one thing that makes it that way. I got past the "not what I'd do but good job" stage a long time ago.
To keep the apples in the apple barrel I'll put it this way. If you were a GN guy and every time you turned around the best examples of the turbo Buicks were being swapped for big blocks. Every time you turned around. You'd get pretty sick of it after a while too.
Also, what do you think is going to happen to all those nice TC's you see on Ebay? Some guy is going to try 'sumpthin differnt' and toss a 302 in it and claim to crack cold fusion with his efforts.
I'm sure I'd get sick of it, but I wouldn't get so bent out of shape over it. When it's all said and done, if the car isnt yours and you're not paying for the parts, insurance, etc for it, there's nothing you can do except respect the work the person has done to his or her car. Hell, I'm already tired of all the Dukes of Hazzard replica Chargers (and Chargers are WAAAYY more rare than TCs), but if that's what the owners enjoy, so be it.
The work that me, my dad, and my uncle did to my 5.0 really opened my eyes. It made me truly realize what putting hard work into a car really means, and really gave me a new respect for any car out there that someone has put a lot of time and/or hard earned money into. And I know that I haven't even scratched the surface as far as that's concerned.
So how would you feel after all that hard work and all you get is a thread with pages of people saying "Your car is a sack of shiznit!" ? I'd be willing to bet you wouldn't be happy, because I know I sure wouldnt.
All this over a 5.0 converted TC............................sigh
No, to me it's about being treated like I'm not entitled to an opinion.
And for the record I never said anything about the car that was anything close to calling it a sack of shiznit. I can't speak for other people. I even said I was in love with the car until I saw what was done to it.
To me it's about showing respect. You can disagree with someone and still show respect.
It has nothing to do with having a different opinion, just the way of sharing it.
Or maybe a Cadillac 500, or Ford 460 or Ford 351?
The reason I came to this forum is because there's all kind of good people here that apreciated these cars. I still think they are the last American built hot rod and best built. I started out over the at the Turbo board and they did not like me at all. I guess that's why there's so many forums on the web.
How did this get to so many pages?
TED
Well, you're right. You didn't call the CAR a sack of shiznit, but you did CALL THE OWNER AN ASSHOLE (which is even worse):
Kinda funny since you're saying hes an asshole for doing what he wants to his car (whatever is cool IN HIS OPINION), which completely contradicts your whole "not entitled to an opinion" argument.
So like I said, give respect and you'll recieve it. You got REALLY angry at my earlier comment, which pretty much treated you the same way you treated the owner of that car. It sucks being on the other end, doesnt it?
Shut the **** up all of you. Jesus...
That's the best idea I've heard in this thread so far.
*shuts up*
its too bad the 18 year old kid has more sense than half of you. to say the car is hacked and whatnot is ignorant. id be willing to bet this car would bring more as it sits than if it was 100% stock. even if not, we dont throw money at or cars for a return. take the fricken money out of the equasion. sure thers a hundred turbo coupes out there with 5.0s swapped in em'. this one is still unique and rare. you will probably NEVER see such a fine example out there. certainly you will never find one as close to a factory 5.0 HO car. why cant you respect it as a whole. its a freaking amazing car reguardless of what powers it. imo, this is absolutely the most perfect 87-88 tbird ive ever seen. it wouldnt inttrest me nearly as much if it was stock. this think has a story man. someone loved this car very much. mind you thiswas done when the car was what, 3-4 years old. id say who would have guesed these cars wpould be so rare but they arent. someone happned to have deep enough pockets and took a basically new car and dropped a very modern drivetrain in it. some of you say oh just another 5.0 HO turbo coupe but put yourself back in 91 when the fricken car was built. it wasnt nearly as common then as it is now and half of us swap left over mustang junk into shiznitboxes. if any of you cant look at this thing and see that its amazing just in condition and documentation alone theres something wrong with you.
Thanks CougarSE we really needed that. I'm sorry to have offended anyone. Just trying to state my opinion sorry if I was unclear. I will try to improve my efforts to be less of such the SOB that I am. I guess since it has stopped raining and I can go out and work I will. I'm also sorry if I unintentional bashed on someones car. I have no excuse for my actions other than that. Once again sorry to have pissed off everyone and make something happen around here on a rainy day here in the Ozarks. But we did get alot of attention and learned that people can get way pissed off at each other for no good rason. I know it has happen before here and things will get back to normal alot sooner that at other site. Sorry once again.
Yeah I can get caught up in the moment and say stuff I don't normally say, and I apologize for that, but I still stand by my ideas and comments about respect and being open minded towards other peoples' cars.
And like shame said, sometimes people tend to get so caught up with one part of the car that they dont see how amazing the car is as a whole.
exactly. its one thing to put your opinion out there. its another to be desrespectfull, distastefull, insulting etc.....
oh and wrong ;)
jk...
All that work APPEARS to have been done when the car was 4 yrs old, and yes 5k miles on the ticker. Isn't that called "Individuality" (sp)????????? I too came here because of the "Nice" people and that everyone appeared to enjoy what other people had done to their cars, how they modded (customized) them to their own tastes. I don't go to Corral.net any more (other than to look for parts for my DOHC)or to the NASA road racing website, because they hated me for not having a Stang. I shouldn't say anymore because of my "Forbidden" engine swap; suspension swap; future dash swap. My car was a 2.3 powered T/C but in due time it will be a 4.6 DOHC T/C (yes I'll be putting TT on it)
My point is, when that forbidden swap was done to that pristine T/C, there where probably several hundred thousand of them running around, with the probablilty of the work being done at a dealership, the engine could have been a factory crate engine, and the availablity of all the associated parts were readily available. Also, the owner might have like the looks of a T/C over a Sport or whatever was available then. That's why I bought my T/C. I liked the front b/c and grill better than the chrome grills and the plain b/c, what I didn't like was only having half an engine. I had never had a 4cyl car before and just didn't like it. I prefered the rumble of V8's.
Before I had started my the DOHC/IRS transformation on my T/C, I got into an argument with a local shop owner for swapping the front suspension on my car. He told me that I should have never "Messed with it" and that I should return it to stock condition before bringing it back to him for an alignment. Needless to say, I told him what he could do with "Never mess with it" comment and took my car somewhere else.
But, I had better post this and leave with my 4.6DOHC; 03" Cobra IRS; modified 86' T/C tail tucked before I get........well......yelled at.
John
P.S. It's just funny (not!) how people can get so worked up over someone else building (or having built) a car they like. Yes, everybody is entitled to their opinion, but to call names. I thought we all were grown ups.
Precisely! Amen to that.
1badbird is right as well.
I'm thinking we should change the name of this forum to corral.net or some other Mustang-based name, the way people have been bickering over foolishness lately...
I've watched B/J auctions.....hmmmmm.......lots of..............cars. Some I liked, lots I didn't.
Also, I see that we can appologize for heated words spoken. After all, we are only human. Hell, the last time I tried to walk on water, I liked to drown :D
yeah, its not like the guy took a super low mile mint turbo coupe and swapped some used junk into it like last week. that would be a little nuts.....the car was like 4 years old at the time and the "used" engine people are griping over had 300 something miles on it. not even broken in. it certainly had lass miles than the car it went into. props for the guy having the balls to do such a swap back then.
sounds like some of you are pissed cause its better now than the day it left the assy line ;)
At least this forum isn't as bad as svoca. If you try and part out an SVO that is salvageable, they ban you. If you try and buy parts, but don't have an SVO, bannination.
1badbird atleast your Turbo coupe will atleast be turbo! Hence the name TURBO coupe.
I just did Kelley Blue Book, it says $825.00 lol
http://www.autobytel.com/content/Research/kbb/index.cfm
I was offended by what ispd thought of my scoop? hum thats news to me, thanks for letting me know ispd. I feel better now. Trust me your opinions about me or my car mean 0, I built the car for myself not you. dont like it? sorry bout your luck, but your opinion (which you are entitled to... ) doesn't bother me one bit.
Lets see someone else make that scoop from sheet metal and graft it in there better. stop the bickering guys, christ it is just another TC, there are thousands of them out there. Hell I stripped and sped a supercharghed '90 Cougar XR-7 with a 5 speed, that could have easily been rebuilt, guess I should be hung too. LOL
I got banned on a Cadillac forum for posting a link to another forum. Someone asked a question that was covered in detail somewhere else so I post the link. Just was trying to help. They also did away with all my posts.
TED
lol at this just lol .....
Some people are just a lot more sensitive than others.
i have the largest dick here. anybody want pics?
That forum must own. :toilet:
JEBUS! Can it be agreed upon that it's a nice car in real nice condition? WOW..................
I know I'd take that car whatever motor was in it, 2.3 OR 5.0.
/thread
Tis a sad day on the fox board....
I would like to see the documentation of when the 140 MPH Speedo was installed. It probably really has like 5500 miles so its really only worth like $1500 if you ask me.
j/k;)
one thing id like to say here:
Regarding Barrett-Jackson:
Compared to modifieds/customs/resto-mods original cars mean almost NOTHING there. Its sad but it is true, that car would likely pull more than a stock TC!
Three things, people:
1) The wheels are going to fall off the Barrett-Jackson bandwagon any day now. It's a fad. Happened in the early 1990's, then the late 90's, and now in the mid-00's. Muscle cars as an "investment" rotate in cycles. The only reason B-J ever got as big as it is, is because of the NASCAR--I mean, Speed Channel. So if you're still using B-J as the measuring stick for what is the proper selling point for a vehicle...you're a Butthole with a capital 'B'. ;)
2) As pointed out, this whole 5.0-in-a-TC thing was done in 1993-ish. I couldn't get anyone at the dealership to give me the frickin' time of day in 1993. Nobody wanted to help out the lowly Cougar dude with his SEFI 5.0-in-a-Cougar scenario. The fact that this car even happened at all says to me that this owner a) knew the right people, and b) talked with his wallet open. Props to him for that much, at least, no matter what you think of the car.
3) It's summer. The sun is shining. The weather is beautiful. This is what we've been waiting for all winter long. How about going outside and turning a few wrenches instead of being a Butthole on a message board. :rolleyes:
im not bothering to read all the posts. shiznit come on guys, stop bitching like girls!
you each have opinions, it makes us who we are
we dont have to agree, plain and simple
just because we dont agree doesnt mean fight about it!
its almost as pointless as trying to tell a kid with a fart canned civic that its slow
or thinking your fast because you beat a fart-canned civic :hick:
Or fighting over a car, that is nice NO MATTER WHO DID THE WORK TO IT!!!
wow guys. just wow.this whole thread is getting entirely blown all out of proportion. This is why I like this forum. It has board unity. We all get along nicely. (for the most part) BE it 2.3t or 5.0 it still looks better than some of our cars. thats motivation... what if it wasnt completely stock? If you all saw a time slip would you judge it? I like the 2.3 its a good motor... but having the balls to do that swap that early? Thats ludicris. Maybe if it hadnt been for that perticular car (being it true that it had the 5.0 swap done in the early 90's) We wouldnt be together on this board. If and I mean IF this car hadnt had the 2.3 chucked and the inspiration to pop a 5.0 in it thought up.... we wouldnt be arguing.
Different strokes for different folks. Its all in your individuality. Everybody is entitled to an opinion but you've gotta know when to stop.
C'mon guys. What are we? a mustang board? These cars bring us all together. Don't let them tear us apart. God, its only metal.
I did I did I went out and worked on Da Bird once the rain stoped.
Sorry, 20 years constitutes an "official" classic.
2007-1987=20
it's a classic:flame:
cool info,
where do you find something like this? E-bay search or something?
How many 69 Fastback Mustangs have changed hands so far this year, for how much?
So yeah I'm listening to the Beatles and the crazy stereo effects they did in their recordings are nuts.
But I always thought that DOES mean my car is fast :confused:
Actually, my friend came over this evening and we got my grandma's computer hooked up for her. Then on the way to the movie theater, some guy in a brand new Civic decided to have his gf in the passenger seat yell over at us (she had a REALLY annoying voice too), and he apparently wanted to race. Another one bites the dust. I swear that Civics must be like insects...theyre EVERYWHERE!
Eric, you had it right the first time. It IS the Nascar-Channel :toilet:
I'll admit, when I saw that car this is exactly what I thought it was. I was ranting and raving at home about all this when my wife said "You stopped looking at the pictures when you saw the engine. It's like you couldn't watch." She's right. I thought this was a 5000 mile car that was heavilly altered 20 years down the road. That's my mistake.
That's why I said asshole. I should have read further, but I didn't want to see any more. If he were a member of the board or ever had any chance of seeing my post I would not have said that.
But the fact remains that these cars are being bought in mint condition and are becoming either parts cars or the cookie cutter Mustang powered ex-TurboCoupes. The engine was the entire point of this car, so to see that happen over and over and over and over again gets disheartening. So I get wound up. That's my personality, and I make no appologies for it. I will appologise for jumping the gun and not getting the whole story before storming off. I know better.
The day will come when the only 2.3 powered TC's look like mine or sit rotting in a jy. Won't that be a sack of shiznit.
...But hey, at least there will be plenty of parts for the rest of us :evilgrin:
Bastage!!!!
(http://www.wotmania.com/images/shakefist.gif)
ok so we can all agree its a nice car, would have been nicer if it had been keep a 2.3t, but when it was done it was done right,
That's a good note to leave it on.
Is it just me, or does it appear as if the console is out of an 83-86 T-bird? I say this because the Console lid appears to be the thicker type with the groove down the middle that is on the older 83-86 T-birds/Cougars.
(http://i22.ebayimg.com/04/i/000/a4/00/45d4_3.JPG)
Actually, it does.
Maybe the original lid cracked...it technically should have the flat-style lid, although I have seen the thicker lid on 1987-88 cars.
The 1983-84, and 1985-86, consoles were all full length (touched the back seat) and made the cars rated for 4 passengers. Only the 1987-88 consoles were shorter (flush with the front seat backs), allowing 5 passenger ratings. So if this console is full length then it was transplanted. Otherwise it's stock with a different lid.
Saw an 87 Cougar LS factory fitted with a console and the tall lid once.
Ya know the car has a '91 HO which means it has forged pistons. So if someone wanted to they could add twin turbos to it. Then it would be a sort of "Turbo Coupe";)
The front pieces on the full-length ones are longer as well. That's a transplant lid.
That being said, I bought a 220,000 mile 87 TC (Blue/blue 5-Speed) from the original owner and it had a split pad as well. Maybe the really early ones were like that?
Just to throw a kink in this....my '84 XR-7 had the short smooth pad :p
(http://www.turbochuck.com/images/84XR7/Dscf0020.jpg)
I duno what mine has, but its like whats in the Pic
you Chuck!!!
:hick:
OMG thats so sweet i can spend $24,000 on my car and it still won't look that good because i plan on smoking Z28s and trans-am and mustangs all day long i don't treat my car like i just like to shock people with something they have never seen or have not seen in years.
I know my 85 XR7 has the smooth pad with the latch button on top. I guess maybe the XR7's got them.
My 86' didn't have a full length console. It ended at the back of the front seats. It appeared to be original, but then my car had been modified anyway when I bought it.
I have to correct myself. I just went out and up into my storage above the garage, my console did go back to the rear seat. It has a little ashtry and the switch for the rear lights. OOOOPPPPPSSSS, my bad :punchballs:
so for the ones that said a pinto wasn't a classic..... Care to rephrase that now?;)
I dont know who asked this question to the seller but this confirms it.
It WAS NOT dealer installed.
It's nice to see that he is honest.
Wow that's interesting. The guy was definitely ahead of his time. He did a wonderful job on it. Anyone know where he got that sticker saying "Ford Authorized Modification" though?
If you have the light switch and ashtray then it didn't go all the way back to the seat. Otherwise there wouldn't be much point in the ashtray or button. ;)
I am pretty sure you can go to any dealership and get a sticker printed like that. Basically it is like a retrofit sticker for A/C. The dealership has stickers that say authorized modifications for anytime they reflash the ECU. All that sticker is an empty sticker that was printed with whatever the guy wanted it to say. The major difference is most of the stickers i have seen are just handwritten.
My 87 had the think lid with the groove down the middle. Though I'm thinking that car had a bunch of stuff it shouldn have had.
My Tbird has the regular flat, thin console lid.
Same here.
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v613/oldraven/Tbird/?action=view¤t=Inside.flv
(http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r9/84fila/Fila/000_1843.jpg)
$8400
Reserve not met
and 5 days to go
More on the LID issue:
John's 90K mile 84 TC has the FLAT lid.
My 87 parts car (sideswiped by 18-wheeler) has the tall lid with the split
Both of our 88 TC's have the flat lid
My 87 Sport has the flat lid
The only 1983-86 cars I've ever seen with flat lids are in XR7's/TC's. But I have a full 1984 XR7 console, Charcoal with the Oxford Grey lid, and it's a tall lid. Which, amazingly, is exactly how the 1984 Cougar brochure depicts it (and even through 1986 XR7's).
Now I have found 1987-88 junkyard cars with tall lids (either charcoal or color-keyed), but most of them have been the flat, charcoal-colored ones.
So is there any rhyme or reason to the lids?
I'm thinking not. :)
Technically, almost anything can be "correct" when it comes to console lids. Say I have a 1986, Canyon Red interior, Canyon Red console. What's the correct lid?
a) Flat, charcoal grey
b) Tall, Canyon Red
c) Tall, Charcoal Grey
The answer is...pick one, it's probably right. ;)
I haven't found anything definitive in my dealer order books because the console, as stated before, is part of the seating option, and therefore isn't a standalone entry in the options list. Later books do give some other interior color options (like the color on the top of the dashboard) but I don't recall seeing specific info for console lid colors/styles. Unless Brent has that info somewhere.
I looked at the tall lid in the VERY early 87 TC, it's Shadow Blue to match the Shadow Blue interior! No although I DID get this car from the original owner, it also had an A234 roller cam, so it very well COULD be he slapped in the "better" lid.
That being said, the flat lid in John's 84 is 100% the original lid, and it is Charcoal.
So I guess you want to here that a PINTO is a classic. Even if I think they look funky!
Mine came with a tall lid matching the interior colors.
It was cracked and bent backwards, so i Replaced it with a tall lid that looks exactly like Fila's that i picked up from a JY car that was an 85-86 as i recall...
Worse than that. even an AMC Pacer is a "classic"
And an old man down the road from my property has the back of one , and also the ass of a AMC ...Javelin(? AMX?) sticking out of the stall beside it.. all covered in dust.
1 day 18 hours left
Current bid $10k (I'm impressed)
and Reserve not met
I'm doubting the actual mileage because of the 140 speedo... If it be known I'd bet it was new when the engine was installed...
No doubt it's a Nice car... Am I impressed he was able to swap in the 5.0 in two years??? shiznit no... I did mine in 4 months(after work, a Saturday here and there). No mine ain't no where as pretty(I have been beating on for seven years now), but it looks just as factory as that one(AND all my unique to TC systems, A/C, etc. operate)... All I had when I did mine was a full factory wiring diagram for the '87 T-Bird and a '86 EVTM(didn't help much), plus I dug up a little on the net...
BTW one more thing, if that's Raven interior I'll kiss someones ASS, looks gray to me(compare the door lock/unlock panel to the rest of the interior). Both my TCs have the raven interior and it's black...
Tom
Well pucker up. :D :hick: :flip: :shakeass:
Take a look in the top right corner bottom line.
Raven/Charcoal Cloth/Vinyl
(http://i22.ebayimg.com/06/i/000/a4/00/49de_12.JPG)
Tom, when Raven interiors sit in the sun, the cloth turns bluish. That happened to mine around the windows, but remains a very dark navy in the corners.
You can kiss mine too... :flip: :shakeass:
Oldraven, that one AIN'T blue(I've had one that was so faded it was closer to blue than black)... With the early gray console, I say it's ALL been swapped... AFIK gray was not offered on the '87-'88 TCs, at any rate it defiantly isn't raven(regardless of what the sticker says)... Maybe Eric has some more info on available colors for the '87s...
BTW... This is REAL Raven interior...(shot of my red TC)...
(http://members.pen 15s.net/turbocoupe50/P6110114.JPG)
I think it is Raven!
I think the photo was too dark to see the details so he lighten it up turning the black to gray.
HI Paul!!! Takin' care of MY Birdie??? :D
I don't think so... Notice the lock/unlock panel on the door and the door gasket, those are clearly black... Also the light switches, A/C vents and inst cluster, etc. are black... If it were a lightened pix, I'd thing everything would have a similar appearance...
I still say the whole interior has been swapped...
Tom
(http://i22.ebayimg.com/04/i/000/a4/00/45d4_12.JPG)
Hi Tom,
I see your point.
The bird is doing good. I put 800KM on it this weekend. I went to Central to visit my dad and sister. Sunday was their birthdays along with father's day. You still planning on visiting up this way?
Well i sent the seller a question about the factory motor he has no idea were it is.
We'd really like too get up your way, maybe next year... Glad to hear the TC is treating you well...
BTW Your TC has raven interior, I surely don't remember it having gray A pillar moldings, door panels etc... I do see what you are saying about the washout, right bolster on the driver seat does have a blackish appearance... Maybe it has the original seats, but no way on the rest of the interior...
Tom
My Raven interior has gray A pillar trim and door panels in fact most of the plastic pieces are gray(kick panels, sill covers, etc...). Even had gray carpet.
hmm mine is all real dark charcoal grey. Raven can be seen on my door panles etc ignore the porno red.
OK!
Here is my Raven interior...The A-pillar looks gray to me.
OK I see the problem... Look again at the color description on the window sticker... It says cloth-vinyl... I don't see any vinyl interior... I have seen TCs with the raven interior and leather(at least I thought it was leather) that had grayish seats, but that car surely has the std all cloth seats...
Makes no real difference I ain't buying it... Don't much like the medium red(I had one), or the gray interior and I defiantly don't like 'em together...
Tom
And my Sport interior
Well while we are lettin' it all hang out...
Mine is black, only gray is the headliner...
Dayum I need to do a little house keeping, A/C vent is really dusty...
All of those interiors are identical. It's all in the lighting. Bring your car inside in Halogens like the ebay car and suddenly the almost black Charcoal looks like washed out grey. If you parked all of the above TC's in the same spot, they'd all look the same.
Sorry I ain't believing that ebay Tc has black interior, for the reasons I listed in my reply to Paul(thundergrowl)
It seems as if the difference is in the TC and Sport interior. My Sport has the light grey door panels like this pic you posted.
(http://www.foxtbirdcougarforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=11724&stc=1&d=1182211796)
"I don't think so... Notice the lock/unlock panel on the door and the door gasket, those are clearly black... Also the light switches, A/C vents and inst cluster, etc. are black... If it were a lightened pix, I'd thing everything would have a similar appearance..."
The picture isn't lightened. The LIGHTS in the building are Halogens, and make everything "different". All of the "black" panels in the interior are supposed to be black when new.
No other Thunderbird/Cougar interior from 85-88 looks even remotely close to Charcoal/Raven 2-tone so there is nothing to swap with.
88sportcoupe, That's the Smoke Grey interior. Everything in the interior is the same color except for the top of the dash and the plastic trim that's always Charcoal.
Charcoal/Raven is the only 2-tone grey interior.
IIRC, Sports only had the Raven seats...the dashes were still Smoke Grey, as well as the rest of the interior panels, and had the non-TC door panels. At least for 1988, anyhow.
The only Fox Thunderbird or Cougar to get any kind of super dark-grey interior parts is the 1987-88 Turbo Coupe. They're almost black, not quite, but much darker than 1983-85 Charcoal interior parts. The official name of the super-dark color is, not surprisingly, Raven. The dash was also all painted in the dark Raven color. The contrasting color in the middle of the seats and door panels on a cloth interior is Smoke Grey perforated cloth. In that respect the photos look correct on that car, at least to me. I would say that there was no reason to change those panels...but considering what else was changed on the car, who knows. ;)
Tom, the "cloth/vinyl" refers to the covering on whole seat...cloth where you sit, vinyl on the back part facing the back seat. The all-leather Raven seats look drastically different from the cloth ones.
raven is what turns blue right? if so my 88 turbo coupe has raven seats so does my dads silver one
Well that must be it then, because i know my seats are Raven/Charcoal
(http://a497.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/23/l_ea5cc405348dde7c41aeb774b924bc80.jpg)
According to the Listing...THIS (http://"http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1988-Ford-thunderbird-Turbo-88_W0QQitemZ260129816012QQihZ016QQcategoryZ6240QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem#ebayphotohosting") is the Low Mileage Turbo Coupe everyone seems to want to see.....
thats a nice one!
At the risk of looking like a link w, here's my interior. It looks just like yours, Tom, but you can see the way light messes with the colours. From the passenger side the seats and even console lid looks blue, but from the drivers side they look dark grey. And be asured, they are the same seats from side to side.
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v613/oldraven/Tbird/?action=view¤t=Inside.flv
Shadow blue moonroof car with Shadow Blue leather! That's the only color combo I like better then Layla :(
Stupid lack of money!
Well... auction's over, $10,100 didn't get the car. I'm sure it'll be back up for sale soon, in which case I'm sure somebody here will restart the bickering...
You're such a shiznit disturber, Eric.
LOL I'm just speaking the truth...I'd be shocked if it didn't come back again here. Oh well. It's a nice car, deserves a nice home, but needs to get some carbon seriously blown out. ;) Good luck to the seller and potential buyers.
o if i could i would, my mustang is gonna get some serious carbon blown out in a few weeks, i already told my dad and he agreed. but that thing would be sweet to have, i have to say id buy it and beat it for a day then baby it, until it started to look like a daily driver whats the point of having a 5.0 ho if you dont use it?
Wait Hell.... I still say it has gray interior... :D
But seriously it is an extremely nice, and well done car, no matter what the color or interior...
Basically it's the Sport model Ford SHOULD have built... That's exactly how I feel about mine...
I couldn't agree more. The Sport should have had that powertrain and a single mounted scoop, rather than the recessed ones.