I have researched nitrous and the likes. Only kits im seeing are "punch throttle and hold on". Is there a way to flip a switch on and instantly have 100+ all the time on a computer controller regulator. So you could sit at a light and nos could be running but at like say .05% (enough not to even notice) when i gas 1/4 the percentage goes up enough to keep from blowing engine up. it would have to incorporate with the TPS sensor im sure. has this ever been done? I have looked at edelbrock's nitrous progressive programmer but i want something better. if i could come up with a pickup from the tps sensor and hook it into a comptuer? for readings of how much the pedal is down and how fast its being pushed and such...
Not that I have ever heard of.
And I would think that would be a waste as a bottle of nitrous has a limited amount of boost in it (am I saying that right?) Like a 10lb bottle is only good for 1-2 min worth of boost.. why would you want to use any of that limited amount up sitting at a stop sign?
You might look into the ZEX system. Not toosure how they work but they are computer controlled.
Well I have 2 100lb co2 tanks im getting fitted with n2o valves which will be plenty of juice. I think Im going to have to use a custom ecu tuning software, any ideas?
You can NOT be serious.Please don't take this offensively,but how old are you?Nitrous running all the time?Two one hundred pound bottles?It just really makes one think.Again,no offense implied or intended.I have just never heard of such a thing.I don't think outside the box like that I suppose.
HAHAHAH 2 100lb bottles of juice.. the local speed shop is going to love you. It was almost $4.00/lb years ago I could imagine how much it is now. You going to slap $800 down and say fill her up.. HAHAHAHAH. Save your money and buy a supercharger, I wish I did that years ago rather than spending close to $1000 on nitrous kit and accessories.. it adds up fast.
nitrous has always seemed stupid to me. it seems so fake. your engine isnt really more powerful. definitely do some stuff thats permanent! youll have so much more bragging rights. build up a nasty-ass rig that runs like hell no matter what the environment.
I think nitrous is cool but I think this is extreem. And as thunder pointed out at LEAST $4.00 a pound.
It cost about $50. to fill a ten pound bottle here 10 years ago... and that would supply my 315 TR7 with 1.5 min worth of boost.
yeah most zex kits are controlled by the tps sensor.
Yeah, i got an idea,,, shoot yourself in the feet so you cant drive for a while. wild hair ideas like that make me wonder how many real idiots are driving today.
and what class CDL do you plan on having,,, and what hazmat indorsp00get regulations would you have to certify with?
your dangerous to yourself and the public at large:hick:
do you plan on procreating?
you might as well invest in big a@@ sign for your car as well that says "NO SMOKING WITHIN 50ft"
Can you say boom?
Okay CDL license? Don't know who you think I am but this is not a street legal vehicle. I don't plan using it by means you (whoever disagrees with me) are talking about. I will meet regulations to which ever race I wan't. By the way if you buy 200lbs of nitrous in bulk its a lot cheaper. WHO IN THEIR RIGHT MIND WOULD PUT 200lbs of nitrous in a vehicle on street. IF one bump jsut right, your toast.
Wild hair ideas?? Wild hair is what led the mayflower, along with the american revolution, along with the civil war. The day we lose wild hair is the day we fail to grow.
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I'm sorry, but 200 LBS of NOS, thats just retarted. I think your pushing th elimit with a 50LB bottle. What exactly do you plan to race?
Nitrous kits are only available in the "punch throttle and hold on" variety because that's the only way you can run it. If you use it at less than WOT, you risk increasing cylinder pressures to the point of kablooey.
Hence, most have switches that activate when the engine is at full throttle, or solenoids that serve the same purpose.
Dont mean do stir up trouble or be a dick but the statement below led me(and possibly others) to believe you were driving on the streets.
Right, now if one could determine the quantity an engine can "run" off of. This is what I am wanting, which no one has ever done apparently.
Uhhh yeah nobody's done it because it can't be done. I'm not a nitrous expert, but you can't run nitrous at part throttle because it causes an extreme lean condition due to all the extra oxygen in the nitrous, but not enough fuel being injected into the cylinder (something like that)
You're welcome to try, of course, all the experts certainly can't be right.
Now, if you're talking about actually running the engine on nothing but nitrous, well...that's impossible because nitrous is not combustible.
^^^ that is a BAD misconception i hear a lot!!! people think its like a SUPER-fuel that somehow makes more power. it makes me thankful that when i first saw the fast and the furious i had my dad to explain what NAWWWZ was correctly :giggle: NAWWWWZZ!!!!!! *boom*
Oh, it'll go boom if you try to do what ztrane is talking about.
I read in one of the mags that if you leave your nitrous on all the time, eventually it will start to leak past the solenoids while the car is shut off, and then when you go to start the car....BLAMMO!
haha, actually i was referring to the scene in FnF where the eclipse gets blown up and vin diesel instantly knows the nawwwz is why its gonna blow
Yes, I know....
I always thought nitrous couldn't be ran at part throttle because you need maximum air flow through the intake to prevent fuel puddling in the intake (wet kits)
Now on a dry kit I think its what you are saying as far as everything being calibrated for WOT and it would run lean until your wide open..
Just don't run it lean. If it needs more fuel give it more fuel. When you can't risk pushing the button it would be nice to have it ready.
Nitrous is not combustible. Nitrous is the oxygen source that allows burning of more fuel.
The 'charge" that is injected into an internal combustion engine has limitations.
First how much air flow the engine can pump, this can be altered “some’ by artificially aspirating an engine. All you TC guys know this. Get a turbo or a blower to FORCE feed the engine. This ‘stuffs” more fuel/air mixture into the engine. Thus creating a larger air/fuel charge in the cylinder and in turn a larger explosion and in turn more power. This has limits, you are adding AIR and no matter how hard you PUSH only so much can flow past the valves and down into the cylinders THUS the limit is based on the amount of fuel you can get into the cylinder and this is limited by capacity.
The Oxygen/Fuel mixture is what actually has to be maintained or you just flood the engine out. In the above FORCE Feeding the Oxygen is supplied by the air. This creates a limit to how much Fuel can be introduced to the cylinder.
With nitrous you convert that charge from Air/Fuel to Nitrous/Fuel. Actual numbers I would have to look up but for the sake of a quick explanation (that’s already to long winded)
Air has one molecule of oxygen per part compared to Nitrous having two.
So for every “part” of Nitrous injected into the engine you MUST have twice the Fuel supplied.
The explosions happen when the Fuel is cut off. The engine INSTANTLY goes into an extreme LEAN condition and what you actually get is an instant melting of your piston heads. What all this adds up to “instantly” is a blown engine.
That’s why a nitrous system has two Solenoids and generally an additional DEDICATED fuel pump AND an fuel pressure cut of for the Nitrous solenoid. IF there is no fuel at the correct matching pressure as the nitrous meltdown will occur. So the Nitrous is cut off.
So now his Theory of using nitrous at a idle. WHY?
With “precise” controlling of the Nitrous/Fuel mixture, yes what he ask can be done. How this would be controlled I have no Idea but in this day and age I’m sure there are controllers out there that could do it. But again WHY?
At idle you engine normally aspirated can push just as much HP and Torque as it could on a trickle of nitrous, you’re just substituting expensive Nitrous for free Air. So again WHY?
Nitrous is intended, and only makes sense for use when normal engine aspiration has met its limits “WOT” or an artificially aspirated engine has met its limits at WOT. It is a way of stuffing more Fuel into an engine and the oxygen to allow it to burn that fuel. Prior to WOT the engine has the capacity to feed itself.
It simply makes no sense!
OK heres what you do. Spray it till it pops. Fix it then back the nitrous down a hair. then you're good to go.
^^^actually good idea! hell, engine rebuilds are dirt cheap! I do mine weekly, just for peace of mind more than anything. :D
I could see a progressive shot activating at 1/3-1/2 throttle, so you don't get a sudden surge in HP maybe causing traction loss... But then you couldn't say "HEY... feel my nitrous" :D ...
Me, I just trigger it at WOT... Yeah its a real rush launching off the line with the stuff...