General => Lounge => Topic started by: daboss351 on April 21, 2007, 05:09:08 PM
Title: More Freaking Problems!!
Post by: daboss351 on April 21, 2007, 05:09:08 PM
Ok so i have half my tune up done, new champion (BLAH all i could afford) plugs, pepboys wires, and an accel cap and rotor, well i just finished the drivers side took me a hour, go to do the passenger side I only have 3 plug wires left. i put the new coil wire on and four on the other side, and i only have three left. No idea what im gonna do cause im NOT taking them all back off, cause it was a bitch getting the first ones off. AHHH runs better with half a tune up though! End ranting! Plus i found out i have 4 cats on my car? means more work gutting them all out. Well im off to finish what i can, and hope i just over looked a wire....
Title: More Freaking Problems!!
Post by: daboss351 on April 21, 2007, 05:21:13 PM
nope its not there does this mean i need to pull them all off and bring them back?
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Post by: P71 on April 21, 2007, 05:24:01 PM
Yep :hick:
Accel sucks anyways. For less $$$ you can get a set of Taylor wires and NGK plugs and perform better. Sleeper has them as well as me.
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Post by: daboss351 on April 21, 2007, 05:35:02 PM
the wires are bwg pep boys brand. Im home alone and its 73 I WANT IT DONE, UGHHHHH. i didn't really pay, and this is just a temp tune up to get teh car running good, i will get better plugs and wires for it when the time arises. well i guess im off to back track!!
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Post by: Autocat on April 21, 2007, 05:43:47 PM
i was told i had 4 cats, but when i got under there to do trans work and had to drop the stock exhaust i only found 3. its the stock 5.0 piping (untill the end of the 3rd cat) with a flowmaster on it. when i dropped them from the headers the Y pipe had one going streight through (breeze gutting it) then theres another thats on a 90 degree angle as it bends from one header to the other. after that there's a 3rd one that you can clearly see just before the ler. i couldnt gut that one b/c is got a a 60ish bend in it that has a on that end, then it goes streight to which would be another . well the guy who put my 50 series on welded that together... why weld that one and not every other ? so im stuck with one cat left. perhaps they consider the 3rd cat a dual cat? dunno. if i could get the first 2 knocked out within an hour it shouldnt take very long, and if the rear on the 3rd cat isnt welded that's the easiest to gut. thus no cats just housings.
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Post by: Thunder Chicken on April 21, 2007, 05:50:43 PM
You want an easy way to get new plug wires? Go back to PepBoys, buy a new, identical set, take the one plug wire you need out of it, and return it to get your money back. It is basically the same thing as taking back the set you were actually shorted the wire, but much less work
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Post by: 5.0willgo on April 21, 2007, 05:58:53 PM
Go to the Ford dealer and get a set of Ford Racing wires. They're 9mm, are marked for each cylinder and were a whopping $35. .. at least they were at my local dealer. Perfect fitment and are much better than the pep boys ones IMO.
I have an accel cap and rotor as well which has worked fine. Also cheap plugs always worked better in my cars. I just grab the $1.24 2-packs of Autolites from Wallyworld.
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Post by: daboss351 on April 21, 2007, 07:41:49 PM
Ok I drive back (God i love driving!) guess what i bought the LAST box of wires that they say would fit my car, so i check out the accell wires, only 90 universal kits. So i get my refund come home, finish putting in the POS champion plugs they sold me, start it up, it still wants to stall out, and when i shove it to the floor, rpms drop, before it comes roaring to life.
Now your saying a can get parts at a ford dealership?? wish there was one near by ill have to look it up, cause i have dodge and toyota dealers around here. I tell you what my arms are small and getting the original plug wires off the first time was a pain. My arms are scratched to hell, and the car still doesn't run good! Someone tell me what i should clean out, cause this thing has sat 2 years before i got her running again. Thanks guys!
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Post by: Beau on April 21, 2007, 08:48:55 PM
Quote from: daboss351
Someone tell me what i should clean out, cause this thing has sat 2 years....
Before gettin' too carried away with a tune, I'd slap in a new fuel filter...no sense in havin' to clean or replace clogged injectors.
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Post by: daboss351 on April 21, 2007, 09:00:23 PM
i was afraid of that. I should have done it it when there was no gas in the system but completely forgot i guess ill get that with the oil change!
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Post by: SLEEPER T-BIRD 87 on April 21, 2007, 09:19:14 PM
Quote from: Aerobird Motorsports;141839
Yep :hick:
Accel sucks anyways. For less $$$ you can get a set of Taylor wires and NGK plugs and perform better. Sleeper has them as well as me.
The taylors hands down have a good low resistance at a low cost :D
But i do have a few sets of spiral core accell wires floating around:toilet:
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Post by: daboss351 on April 21, 2007, 09:20:24 PM
im gonna order plugs and wires thought summit once i get my hands on a credit card. If im spending my money im gonna buy the right stuff.
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Post by: SLEEPER T-BIRD 87 on April 21, 2007, 09:21:09 PM
Quote from: daboss351;141893
im gonna order plugs and wires thought summit once i get my hands on a credit card. If im spending my money im gonna buy the right stuff.
Be carefull with the credit card it is easy to get way way in debt
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Post by: daboss351 on April 21, 2007, 09:39:13 PM
o hell i know not saying its gonna be my card! Im just getting ford racing wires, and bosch platnium4 plugs. Gonna call that good enough. I need to degrease the block, and replace the valve cover gaskets so i might get a set of those too.
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Post by: SLEEPER T-BIRD 87 on April 21, 2007, 09:57:24 PM
Quote from: daboss351;141904
o hell i know not saying its gonna be my card! Im just getting ford racing wires, and bosch platnium4 plugs. Gonna call that good enough. I need to degrease the block, and replace the valve cover gaskets so i might get a set of those too.
I wouldnt waste the money on the +4 bosch plugs.
A good NGK plug will serve you well.
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Post by: P71 on April 21, 2007, 11:25:09 PM
The platinum's are a waste of money, period. Standard plain-jane NGK's make the same power, more reliably, for more miles. Spark plugs are the biggest bs gimmick bs ever on a car.
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Post by: daboss351 on April 22, 2007, 12:36:34 AM
so these are what i should get? http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=NGK%2D6945&N=700+4294908331+4294908282+4294925005+4294925143+4294839068+115&autoview=sku that will save a bit! How much work is involved with changing the valve cover gaskets? Cause my motor is COATED with oil, im gonna clean it up, and i want to change them before my oil change, cause royal purple is ALL i run, and it an't cheap!
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Post by: 32VFoxBird on April 22, 2007, 12:53:41 AM
Quote from: daboss351;141939
so these are what i should get? http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=NGK%2D6945&N=700+4294908331+4294908282+4294925005+4294925143+4294839068+115&autoview=sku that will save a bit! How much work is involved with changing the valve cover gaskets? Cause my motor is COATED with oil, im gonna clean it up, and i want to change them before my oil change, cause royal purple is ALL i run, and it an't cheap!
i know you're young, but be patient with buying parts for your car. talk with other people FIRST, before making a decision on something. it might save you a lot of headache and hard earned money in the end.
and running royal purple in a high mileaged motor isnt going to help any.
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Post by: daboss351 on April 22, 2007, 01:07:09 AM
95k isn't that high. Being as im not light on vehicle's ill take the added protection. Its gonna get hopped up, i don't do stock. Its a work in progress. Im getting her running good, stopping leaks, then comes the underside needs to be striped and rust proofed before new england eats it up more. Im an buttstuff kid, its getting royal tranny fluid and rear end fluid. I want it to stay good as long as i can keep it that way, cause ill never get my parents to buy me a car, and i know my moms not gonna give me her cobra! Hell once i get it reliable, im gonna start a pile of parts. Gonna rip it out junior year in the summer at my dads go though the whole motor, already have a guy said he will do the machine work on the motor for me.
As far as asking other people, I know a thing or two, but I love advice, why else would I have said my plans here, I want feedback from the people I know will lead me where i need to go! Thanks to all for your help so far!
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Post by: P71 on April 22, 2007, 01:35:51 AM
Yep, those are the ones. A LOT cheaper then Platinum's aren't they?
Royal Purple helps high milage engines the most IMHO. My 386K mile Nissan truck LOVED that stuff. You MUST absolutely fix them valve cover gaskets first! Try these:
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Post by: daboss351 on April 22, 2007, 01:41:48 AM
aero I love you!!! Ok whats better taylor or ford? I was gonna get the fords. Im getting those ford racing ones. I first used royal purple in my 73 honda motorcycle i bought the oil i drained out was green and had mold put in the royal man thing ran like a freaking (still runs on it to this day) Since then i buy something it gets royal.
so NGK's, new fuel filter, new gaskets, valve covers, and which ever plug wires you say are better is the next round of improvements for the 5.0!
Summit comes out to 137.96 for everything but fuel filter, which ill get at pep boys. Thats with the for racing wires, which i will change if you say the taylors are better EDIT anyone know what kindda mods needed to clear the intake? Hell maybe ill just get a exploder one now! Application Notes Modification required to clear stock 5.0L intake manifold.
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Post by: P71 on April 22, 2007, 01:54:57 AM
A spacer should work just fine for the intake. The Taylors really are the best (accept for MSD's but they're $110/set) but the Ford's are consistently good with the stock ignition. It really is a toss-up. Summit sells the fuel filter too.
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Post by: BEARMAX on April 22, 2007, 02:35:10 AM
Hey Dont Just Gut Out Those Cats You Will Prob Be Throwing $250 To 300 Dollars Away Just Cut Them Off And Put In Pipe Go Sell The Cats To A Buyer And Pocket A Few Hundred Bucks
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Post by: vinnietbird on April 22, 2007, 08:50:59 AM
You'll need valve covers for an EFI engine.Those are for a carbed engine on the last page.Valve covers are way down on the list when you're trying to get the car running right.Do an engine flush and then add your new oil.Once you pull the valve covers,you'll be able to see a lot.Check for gummed up oil on the rockers and how did the plugs look?You should go ahead and replace the upper to lower plenum gasket when you pull the upper to swap valve cover gaskets.You don't have to pull the valvebody when you do this,just leave it bolted to the upper.Also,pay close attention to where the vacuum lines go.If it looks a little hard to remember,just label them with masking tape and a Sharpie marker.Check all of the vacuum lines as well.You may have a couple leaking,or broke.I don't know if you knew this,but our local AutoZone can now get Ford Racing parts.Plug wires,etc.Get all you can locally and save on shipping costs if that's what you're wanting.Ask a lot of questions before you do anything like stated above.It will save you time and money.
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Post by: 5.0willgo on April 22, 2007, 09:01:03 AM
Changing out valve cover gaskets isn't difficult. Just stay away from cork gaskets. They are a pita to work with and still end up leaking.
As far as cleaning stuff so the car runs better... 1. Pull the air inlet tube off the throttle body. If the throttle body is gunky and oily inside, get a can of throttle plate- sensor safe, cleaner and go to town. 2. Remove the idle air control valve and spray it out with the same stuff. The inside should be clean, not oily and gummy. 3. Check the PCV valve and replace if the thing inside doesn't rattle when you shake it. Also get a set of needle nose pliars and pull the PCV screen out. It's buried down in the lower manifold and is probably all clogged up. Spray it out with carb cleaner to see if it can be saved. If not replace that as well.
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Post by: P71 on April 22, 2007, 11:46:50 AM
I didn't realize those were carb only vc's :hick: Of course, except for the pos Sport that doesn't run and the GTO, all of the V8's here are carb'd (AMC 401, Buick Nailhead 401).
Summit has lower prices then AutoZoo and doesn't charge shipping. It's a flat $5 handling fee no matter how much you order. Here's the right VC's (I think):
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Post by: daboss351 on April 22, 2007, 12:16:53 PM
nope those are the same ones you showed before. im gonna stick to the original plan to sand and paint my covers. gonna get degreaser and zip ties today, and clean up the engine compartment, theres wires everywhere they shouldn't be. I know to stay away from cork gaskets.
Now im new to the 5.0, could someone point out just what I should clean. Im to used to carbs, this is my first fuely car.
Oh and i can't remove the cats, need them for inspection.
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Post by: daboss351 on April 22, 2007, 02:57:08 PM
All i got to do today was wash it, and run her a bit more. Sucks not being able to take it to the gas station, ive been filling it up with a 2 gallon gas jug! Hopefully next weekend ill have all the stuff i need to tear into it again, and do it right and completely.
Now you told me what needs to be cleaned, now i would like if someone doesn't mind to show me exactly where they all are, other then the throttle body, theres about 10 different things on the intake that i have pretty much no idea what is what.
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Post by: Tbird232ci on April 22, 2007, 03:20:26 PM
In my opinion, dont run Royal Purple. Yes, its good stuff, but youll find out how many leaks you actually have. Id run Mobile 1 synthetic. Its cheaper, and youll never notice a difference between the two in a street car.
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Post by: 5.0willgo on April 22, 2007, 03:32:15 PM
These should help some The second picture is the rear of the lower intake where the pcv valve is. I just illustrated where the screen sits.
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Post by: daboss351 on April 22, 2007, 03:39:54 PM
new vid of the car coming soon, cause my brother is home with his digital camera and i don't see a picture???
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Post by: daboss351 on April 22, 2007, 03:47:43 PM
I got some pics of the motor, new vid of the car coming after, i got my bros camera so (http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c384/boss3512/motor002.jpg) The heart of the beast (http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c384/boss3512/motor001.jpg) now what there should be taken off and cleaned?
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Post by: 84 Fila on April 22, 2007, 03:56:07 PM
I've got cheap trans dapt chrome valcovers if you want them. I pulled them of my motor when I put the FMS ones on
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Post by: daboss351 on April 22, 2007, 03:57:14 PM
eh not sure they would fit, and i want to paint any ones i get dark blue, and the intake eventually will be dark blue once i get a exploder one
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Post by: P71 on April 22, 2007, 04:00:35 PM
Quote from: Tbird232ci;142054
In my opinion, dont run Royal Purple. Yes, its good stuff, but youll find out how many leaks you actually have. Id run Mobile 1 synthetic. Its cheaper, and youll never notice a difference between the two in a street car.
I beg to differ. My 18 second daily driver pickup dropped 3 tenths in the 1/4 mile and gained 2-3 MPG. The change intervals have also been extended. I see identical results in John's DD GTO, the g/f's DD Grand Prix GT, and my neighbors DD Explorer.
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Post by: 5.0willgo on April 22, 2007, 04:08:18 PM
Hmm, I can see them don't know why you can't. Sorry about that. Anyway, that round cylindrical thing attached to the front of the throttle body is the IAC. It is held on by 2 bolts. Remove it and then take off the lower cylindrical part that is held in by two screws. The top half is what gets cleaned out. Use a q-tip as well on the inside for easier cleaning. You'll see what I mean when you take it apart.
The PCV valve is located in the rear center of the lower intake manifold. It is right behind where the upper manifold is bolted to the lower. There is a thick rubber hose that connects to a spot on the bottom of the upper manifold to the PCV valve. Get a flash light and lean over the center of the car and you'll see it. Burrowed in the lower manifold under the PCV valve is the screen. It is nearly impossible to get out unless you grip it with a set of needle nose pliars.
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Post by: daboss351 on April 22, 2007, 04:11:54 PM
I have a BIIIIIIG problem its leaking gas from the passenger side front, and i can't tell from where. Im just glad all this time ive had no problems. I have no CLUE where its coming from, but that explains why i smell gas all the time. Well im off to jack it up and investigate. F me!
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Post by: 5.0willgo on April 22, 2007, 04:16:08 PM
It's okay, probably just a poor connection in the fuel line or a leaky/ not properly seated injector. Start at the top and follow your fuel lines down, you'll find it.
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Post by: daboss351 on April 22, 2007, 04:32:45 PM
Found it, its the fuel lines, right in the passenger side fender where the metal lines go, they are all rusty and thats where its coming from. How am i gonna fix that? i can't use rubber fuel line there can i? And this explains why it seems like its starved for fuel must have been getting massive amounts of air in the line.
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Post by: vinnietbird on April 22, 2007, 05:26:42 PM
Go to the salvage yard and find a Mark VII,V-8 T-Bird/Cougar,or a Mustang (V-8),and get the lines you need.You'll need a special dis-connect tool to remove them.Don't try it any other way.You can get the tool at any parts store.They come as a set and are pretty cheap.Don't use rubber hose !!! Do it right the first time.If you can't get it done right at this time,work on something else until you can.
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Post by: daboss351 on April 22, 2007, 05:31:23 PM
those little tabs are 2 bucks at pep boys, so ill take them off with a screwdriver. Thank god its not solid line from the filter forward. Theres suppose to be a car identical to mine in the junkyard, i need body and interior parts from, now i guess i need the fuel lines. I guess ill find a way there this week.
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Post by: Dogcharmer on April 22, 2007, 05:35:21 PM
Until you can get out to the wrecking yard I'd buy the spring lock coupling tool and try and take your fuel lines apart. At least you'll know what you're in for if you've never pulled apart these fittings.
And take some PB Blaster with you to the junkyard. Those fuel lines aint gonna come apart easy.
BTW, I use good ol' cheap Autolite plugs... They last forever even with an MSD.
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Post by: daboss351 on April 22, 2007, 05:38:30 PM
Good to know im glad i found it now, before i had a fire or something, plus im sure the gas is eating the front air bag up...... I also found out my factory amp was cut out, and removed, and its all rigged up in the trunk. I hope when they were chopping wires, they didn't mess up any of my abs stuff, cause i have no abs right now
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Post by: Tbird232ci on April 22, 2007, 06:48:56 PM
Quote from: Aerobird Motorsports;142067
I beg to differ. My 18 second daily driver pickup dropped 3 tenths in the 1/4 mile and gained 2-3 MPG. The change intervals have also been extended. I see identical results in John's DD GTO, the g/f's DD Grand Prix GT, and my neighbors DD Explorer.
My buddy works at Jacksons Auto Machine, he put a 383 stroker, AFR heads, RPM II intake, worked holley 650DP, and a custom isky cam on the dyno. They broke it in on dyno oil, and made a few dyno pulls. They then drained the oil, and put in Royal Purple in it, what did they pick up? 7 horsepower. 7 horsepower on a race prepped engine, so i dont know how the hell you picked up 3 tenths.
By the way, that 383 stroker goes 11.60's in a street car on drag radials
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Post by: daboss351 on April 22, 2007, 06:57:33 PM
spring lock coupling tool thats for those big fittings up top the motor, my car has these plastic lines that attach to metal lines with little plastic clips maybe it goes into on of those in the engine compartment
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Post by: P71 on April 22, 2007, 07:42:43 PM
Quote from: Tbird232ci;142098
My buddy works at Jacksons Auto Machine, he put a 383 stroker, AFR heads, RPM II intake, worked holley 650DP, and a custom isky cam on the dyno. They broke it in on dyno oil, and made a few dyno pulls. They then drained the oil, and put in Royal Purple in it, what did they pick up? 7 horsepower. 7 horsepower on a race prepped engine, so i dont know how the hell you picked up 3 tenths.
By the way, that 383 stroker goes 11.60's in a street car on drag radials
Wear. A 135K mile engine has wear. Especially on the bearings. RP micropolishes those for less friction. Anything that will pick up 7HP on a fully built all-out best of everything motor will absolutely love a stock motor. And as far as how I tested it, I ran the truck for 4,000 miles on Valvoline Synthetic. Averaged my MPG and went drag racing on a Friday night (ran 18.90's). The next day I changed the oil and did no other changes. Went drag racing at the same track (near identical weather) and went 18.60's. 4,000 miles later I reversed it, the RP was 4,000 miles old and the truck still went 18.60's. I dumped the RP, used some Valvoline again and went down to 18.80's the next night. Sunday I changed back to RP and have had nothing else since.
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Post by: 32VFoxBird on April 22, 2007, 07:50:59 PM
i really hope my car will run 18.60's with Royal Purple! :bowdown:
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Post by: P71 on April 22, 2007, 08:17:02 PM
Don't knock the Nismo, it tries hard :hick:
The GTO went from 13.50's @104 to 13.30's @108 with RP ;)
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Post by: 84 Fila on April 22, 2007, 09:31:10 PM
I'm gustimating my 1/4 mile to be a 15.9 at 83MPH. A sure guess but it's what a freind told me it would run
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Post by: vinnietbird on April 22, 2007, 10:27:34 PM
I'm guessing more like 16 something.
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Post by: daboss351 on April 23, 2007, 06:19:46 AM
hell ill be lucky if i can make it out of my driveway!
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Post by: vinnietbird on April 23, 2007, 07:02:19 AM
Don't be in a hurry.Take your time.You're not on a scedule to have it done.Just save your money,do what you need to do to get it done right.The some of you guys are having a hard time is because everytime you get $10.00 you're trying to spend it on something.Save it until you have a couple hundred dollars then you can get what you really need.Patience really pays off.While you save money,that's when you spend your time doing the free stuff,like cleaning,detailing,and figuring out the plan for the car,listing what you need,and learning what you don't know about your car.
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Post by: daboss351 on April 23, 2007, 02:19:43 PM
o i know yesturday before i found the gas leak i washed is, and did some more work inside i got the passenger door panel off, next is the drivers side. I need new door panels and driverside window will not move
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Post by: daboss351 on April 23, 2007, 05:24:21 PM
Well i went to the junkyard, last mark 7 they had the crushed a few days ago. Now i need to find a junkyard and have someone bring me. O well i get some degreaser, leather conditioner, and zip ties. Should keep me busy for a few days. Well off to last ccd class, then this weekend is confirmation, weekend after is my confirmation party, and should be getting money from my dad soon, so i will be ordering some major parts for it!
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Post by: vinnietbird on April 23, 2007, 05:41:18 PM
V-8 T-bird and Cougar will work as well.have you asked anyone in our classifieds down below who is parting out cars?There are a few of them selling parts.Give them a try.the fual lines aren't a popular item.I'll bet someone still has them.
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Post by: daboss351 on April 23, 2007, 07:33:36 PM
Well i still need door panels, front valence, trim peices, the trim mounts from a mark 7 so. The list grows with each day. Ill have to look for a t bird or cougar then for the gas line should be easier to find. Nice to know its gonna be the same!
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Post by: 32VFoxBird on April 23, 2007, 08:17:37 PM
Quote from: daboss351;142393
Well i still need door panels, front valence, trim peices, the trim mounts. The list grows with each day. Ill have to look for a t bird or cougar then. Nice to know its gonna be the same!
they're not the same.
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Post by: daboss351 on April 23, 2007, 08:23:15 PM
i ment the gas lines I know the rest is different, im not retarded, ive worked on thunderbirds i know that stuff is no where near the same. Vin says the lines are the same so im gonna check it out if the kid im buying parts off doesn't have good ones