General => Lounge => Topic started by: P71 on April 15, 2007, 12:59:15 AM
Title: 1987 Sport Coupe is here, pics page 2!
Post by: P71 on April 15, 2007, 12:59:15 AM
...but I bought it anyway. :hick: :D
It "high centered" on a really, REALLY BIG rock (the car is physically bent). Not to mention the extreme rust in the shock towers, radiator support, and trunk floor.
It did however have a near mint BLUE interior! So I paid $250 for it :D Stripping to commence tomorrow once we drag it home (unfortunately). You guys have to see the rock impact though, it's the 2nd most bizarre fox Bird/Cat wreck I've ever seen.
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Post by: 84 Fila on April 15, 2007, 01:01:52 AM
Whats the first if you don't mind....
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Post by: vinnietbird on April 15, 2007, 08:43:12 AM
Yes,pics,and what WAS the first?
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Post by: P71 on April 15, 2007, 12:59:15 PM
The first was a 83-86 Cougar that got the left rear 1/4 panel FLATTENED.
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Post by: 84 Fila on April 15, 2007, 01:11:31 PM
:spit: I must say, wow...
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Post by: Beau on April 15, 2007, 01:15:58 PM
Quote from: Aerobird Motorsports;140241
The first was a 83-86 Cougar that got the left rear 1/4 panel FLATTENED.
Looks like a tree fell on it...?
(If so maybe cats ought not climb trees :hick:)
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Post by: 20th anny 5.o on April 15, 2007, 05:38:06 PM
This must be where the idea for the Thundercamino's came from.
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Post by: Thunder Chicken on April 15, 2007, 06:10:32 PM
Quote from: 20th anny 5.o;140285
This must be where the idea for the Thundercamino's came from.
Don't you mean Thundero? Or, better still, Cougero? Caminos are for Chevy :beatyoass:
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Post by: CougarSE on April 15, 2007, 06:56:27 PM
Michael is this an ATC car? buttstuffog cluster? If so I may want the dash harness.
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Post by: 20th anny 5.o on April 15, 2007, 08:32:50 PM
Quote from: Thunder Chicken;140291
Don't you mean Thundero? Or, better still, Cougero? Caminos are for Chevy :beatyoass:
shiznit im sorry please do not :beatyoass:
beatings hurt.
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Post by: P71 on April 15, 2007, 10:13:34 PM
The thing is (on the crushed Coug), the smash is straight and level, like a dumpster or Mack truck, not round like a tree. *shudder*
So, I drug the Sport home. Observations:
87 Sport, Oxford White on Shadow Blue cloth. Dual power sets, EATC, etc, loaded except moonroof and leather! The rear axle code is M (2.73 trac-loc), AND it's an 8.8" :evilgrin: The interior is just stellar! Headliner is mint, dual lighted visors, UNCRACKED dash! The "Systems Sentry" plate is blank though (wierd). The wack to the passenger side intruded the door jamb BAD. Poor car was really nice maybe a year ago. Jerk parked it in a field of grass to rot for 6 months. I gotta figure what's wrong with it (cranks, no start, has fuel and spark from coil). Here's some pics after spending THREE HOURS washing it!!
Also, it has the metal rear window trim, "Star Wars" gauges, EATC, keyless, and that stupid overflow bottle I wanted :hick:
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Post by: P71 on April 15, 2007, 10:16:57 PM
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Post by: P71 on April 15, 2007, 10:36:04 PM
BTW, if you towstrap a Star Wars equipped car, the trip minder reads 99mpg! :hick:
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Post by: daboss351 on April 15, 2007, 10:38:31 PM
nice and clean!!
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Post by: Thunder Chicken on April 15, 2007, 10:46:59 PM
Quote from: Aerobird Motorsports;140363
The thing is (on the crushed Coug), the smash is straight and level, like a dumpster or Mack truck, not round like a tree. *shudder*
So, I drug the Sport home. Observations:
87 Sport, Oxford White on Shadow Blue cloth. Dual power sets, EATC, etc, loaded except moonroof and leather! The rear axle code is M (2.73 trac-loc), AND it's an 8.8" :evilgrin: The interior is just stellar! Headliner is mint, dual lighted visors, UNCRACKED dash! The "Systems Sentry" plate is blank though (wierd). The wack to the passenger side intruded the door jamb BAD. Poor car was really nice maybe a year ago. Jerk parked it in a field of grass to rot for 6 months. I gotta figure what's wrong with it (cranks, no start, has fuel and spark from coil). Here's some pics after spending THREE HOURS washing it!!
Also, it has the metal rear window trim, "Star Wars" gauges, EATC, keyless, and that stupid overflow bottle I wanted :hick:
That friggin' thing looks better than my old '87 Sport, underside damage or not.
The systems sentry panel is blank because the disco dash incorporates those functions. I've got a blank one in my car out of that parts TC (it didn't have systems sentry - is that odd in a TC?). I note it has the non-sport seats as well - the Sport seats didn't come in Sports until '88.
As for the rear end, if it's an 8.8 it's the first '87 non-TC I've ever heard of with one. I've heard of a few 88 Sports sneaking out of the factory, but never an '87. All Sports had traction lock, though
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Post by: P71 on April 15, 2007, 10:59:44 PM
It's DEFINATELY an 8.8. The thing is, when we were towstrapping it, the truck read 55MPH (and the truck is within 1-2 MPH of actual), the Sport read 61. Could be a swap? Or a really late 87? I have to dig some more.
Don't let the pics fool you, it sat in a flooded field for the last 6 months, the underside is RUSTY! I can touch the gas tank through the trunk floor! It's sad too, because you can see it used to be really well taken care of. Tomorrow I'm going to crawl all over it with the camera to assess whether it's "safe" or not and document the damage/options. The paint is stained to all hell (sap tree) which sucks. At least they didn't mess up the interior. The non-sport seats have power recline though, kinda neat!
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Post by: Thunder Chicken on April 15, 2007, 11:06:29 PM
Yeah, it looks pretty loaded up - mine didn't have the EQ, only had one power seat, didn't have power recline, or any of the lighting options. Some day I WILL own one of these cars with the automatic lights and mirror! Just to say I did!
I know you haven't spent much time under it, but is that rear sway bar as big as the TC one? My '88 had a rear sway bar, but it was only about half as thick as the TC one. The was about as big as a pencil.
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Post by: crystal on April 15, 2007, 11:17:45 PM
Wow, another power recline car... I've been trying to find another forever. My sport came like that and the only other one I've seen was in a junkyard and I definately nabbed the power recline stuff from it (seats were trashed)
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Post by: P71 on April 15, 2007, 11:20:59 PM
The rear end looks IDENTICAL to Layla's (except the brakes). Remember though, I've never owned a Sport, and I've spent maybe 5 minutes under this thing. I did go through all of the paperwork on the car and checked off the options:
5.0 V8 EFI AOD Sport Coupe (blacked out trim/mirrors/taillights/locks) TC style center console floor shift with leather shifter dual power seats power recline power windows power mirrors EATC with rear defrost and A/C Premium Sound with EQ Power antenna (chrome antenna, black base) front license plate thing (yes, it is NOT broken :D ) auto-dim automatic headlamps illuminated c-pillars and footwells (and glovebox and console box) dual lit visors power trunk release power gas release star wars gauges with trip do-hickey (a LOT fancier then the "base" gauges my Cougar had) digital clock cruise control almost but not quite TC style steering wheel interval wipers tilt keyless entry lit locks 2.73 posi rear (has an 8.8 with sway bar, unkown whether it's original yet) TC sized front sway bar
lots of rust, a big dent, a wrinkled 1/4, and warped rotors :hick:
Also the blue seats have a lighter blue/grey middle. I've never seen that (made them look Charcoal/Raven in the py pics I was sent). And the drivers seat belt receptacle is perfect, the passenger one is busted. Wierd...
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Post by: thunderjet302 on April 16, 2007, 12:03:06 AM
Quote from: Aerobird Motorsports;140384
The rear end looks IDENTICAL to Layla's (except the brakes). Remember though, I've never owned a Sport, and I've spent maybe 5 minutes under this thing. I did go through all of the paperwork on the car and checked off the options:
5.0 V8 EFI AOD Sport Coupe (blacked out trim/mirrors/taillights/locks) TC style center console floor shift with leather shifter dual power seats power recline power windows power mirrors EATC with rear defrost and A/C Premium Sound with EQ Power antenna (chrome antenna, black base) front license plate thing (yes, it is NOT broken :D ) auto-dim automatic headlamps illuminated c-pillars and footwells (and glovebox and console box) dual lit visors power trunk release power gas release star wars gauges with trip do-hickey (a LOT fancier then the "base" gauges my Cougar had) digital clock cruise control almost but not quite TC style steering wheel interval wipers tilt keyless entry lit locks 2.73 posi rear (has an 8.8 with sway bar, unkown whether it's original yet) TC sized front sway bar
lots of rust, a big dent, a wrinkled 1/4, and warped rotors :hick:
Also the blue seats have a lighter blue/grey middle. I've never seen that (made them look Charcoal/Raven in the py pics I was sent). And the drivers seat belt receptacle is perfect, the passenger one is busted. Wierd...
Has all the options mine does but mine dosen't have a floor shifter. Mine has leather seats though.
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Post by: Jim_Miller on April 16, 2007, 12:06:36 AM
What are "star wars gauges" ? And power recline? is that just the tilt back and forth front and rear up and down type recline? i have that and thought all the bird power seats were like that.
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Post by: thunderjet302 on April 16, 2007, 12:14:01 AM
Quote from: Jim_Miller;140395
What are "star wars gauges" ? And power recline? is that just the tilt back and forth front and rear up and down type recline? i have that and thought all the bird power seats were like that.
Star Wars guages are the full digital dash option. Power recline is a kind of rare option. The seat backs are power up and down. That is in addition to the 6 way power seat option. You couldn't get power recline with Sport Seats though.
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Post by: P71 on April 16, 2007, 12:17:54 AM
thunderjet302 - Well, you also have metallic paint, 2-tone paint, and leather :D
And yes on the star wars and power recline. This is the 1st power reclin I've seen in real life.
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Post by: thunderjet302 on April 16, 2007, 12:19:16 AM
Quote from: Aerobird Motorsports;140401
thunderjet302 - Well, you also have metallic paint, 2-tone paint, and leather :D
And yes on the star wars and power recline. This is the 1st power reclin I've seen in real life.
Power recline is fun isn't it? :D
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Post by: vinnietbird on April 16, 2007, 12:30:05 AM
My Sport has the thicker sway bars and quad shock,also the TL 2.73 rear.....until I install my 8.8.
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Post by: Jim_Miller on April 16, 2007, 01:05:03 AM
how does one tell it's a sport? I assumed it would say "Sport" like in the rear by the "Thunderbird" or on the Dsah, But I don't see it in eather of the pictures.
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Post by: kingcars on April 16, 2007, 02:35:09 AM
Sports have blacked out trim and the floor shifter, iirc. Thats how mine is too, and Aero's is as well.
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Post by: Thunder Chicken on April 16, 2007, 08:13:35 AM
Sports are identified by the VIN - base Birds would be 60, Sports, 61, LX's 62 and Turbo Coupes 64. All T-Birds start out 1FABP, so a Sport would start out 1FABP61
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Post by: P71 on April 16, 2007, 09:54:25 AM
Really? I learned something today! :hick:
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Post by: Jim_Miller on April 16, 2007, 02:11:22 PM
Quote from: Thunder Chicken;140428
Sports are identified by the VIN - base Birds would be 60, Sports, 61, LX's 62 and Turbo Coupes 64. All T-Birds start out 1FABP, so a Sport would start out 1FABP61
Ok, can't wait to get home and check mine tonight.
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Post by: Clayton on April 16, 2007, 03:12:55 PM
timing fudged on it?
thats the only thing i can think of. timing chain might be bad.
other than that it looks real nice
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Post by: P71 on April 16, 2007, 04:13:37 PM
Rotor spins in the dizzy. It's "Old Testament" raining right now, so I can't go poke around on it today.
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Post by: daboss351 on April 16, 2007, 04:15:01 PM
I have rain here too till thursday so im stuck staring at my car and losing valuable vacation till to work on it!
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Post by: Clayton on April 16, 2007, 08:29:58 PM
it may be off a tooth or so... just enough to fornicate it up
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Post by: P71 on April 18, 2007, 02:09:22 PM
Stupid Sport! How do you guys work on these 5.0's?? There's so much stuff in the way! Anyways, I replaced the inertia switch on a hunch, and got fuel to spray from under the hood like crazy at the schrader valve. There's air outside. And the #8 spark plug wire will zap through a screwdriver onto the shock tower. Hmmm, still no start (turns over forever). SO I hook up trusty scan tool, got a 21, 23, 24, 10, and 11 (KOEO only obviouisly). So 23 is TPS, great! I have a new one leftover from my Cougar a billion years ago, so I replaced it and checked the voltage. I took of the air hose and looked at the TB, looks OK, so I spray some starting fluid down it (yum). STILL no start! WTF? So I drag the neighbor over to turn the sucker, hool up the timing light, no dice. Timing is right on the money. Unless both HG's are blown to smithereens I can't figure this beast out. Anybody have an SO EEC for cheap :hick:
I crawled under it agai, DEFINATELY an 8.8 and the sway bar is the same thickness as Layla's. It has quad shock mounts too (but no quads). The rust is pretty gnarly underneath, mostly the trunk floor and the front k-member/shock area. The rock hit on the passenger sill is BAD too, it actually ripped through the floorboard and tore off the fuel lines. The fuel lines are replaced, but the mounts are all gone. .
PS, Vinnie wuz right on the door cups :(
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Post by: 84 Fila on April 18, 2007, 02:12:30 PM
I might have a SO computer, what can it be out of? Dumb queston but will a crown vic computer work?
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Post by: P71 on April 18, 2007, 03:48:30 PM
I dunno, i play with 2.3T cars and carb'd V8's.
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Post by: 84 Fila on April 18, 2007, 04:03:43 PM
If anyone can conform that a CV computer will work, I have one, and a few from 5.0 trucks. I'll have to check and see to be sure though.
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Post by: daboss351 on April 18, 2007, 04:06:42 PM
get the number off your computer aero, and compare it to the number on mikes
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Post by: vinnietbird on April 18, 2007, 04:13:07 PM
I have an SO computer in the garage (V-8).
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Post by: CougarSE on April 18, 2007, 04:13:42 PM
Truck computer will NOT work. SO SEFI vic one would.
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Post by: 84 Fila on April 18, 2007, 04:13:53 PM
Take vinnies, you know his will work
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Post by: P71 on April 18, 2007, 06:07:13 PM
Eh, I pushed it into the neighbor's lawn for now. I HAVE to finish John's TC so I can drag it back here. Layla is still waiting for some time too. And my office isn't painted yet. What am I doing online???
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Post by: daboss351 on April 18, 2007, 06:08:30 PM
i wish you lived near me id love to help you out.
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Post by: P71 on April 18, 2007, 06:18:56 PM
There's plenty to do. In between running ABM, shipping boxes, making re-orders, and fielding phone calls/emails/PM's I'm swamped on "open" days. Plus dealing with painting the office and the rest of the honey-do list on the house. On top of all that Layla's been apart since January, John's TC since Febuary, and I still have to take care of the truck, g/f's GP GT, John's GTO, neighbor's Explorer, and the rest of the family's cars. :hick:
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Post by: daboss351 on April 18, 2007, 06:23:54 PM
!
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Post by: 84 Fila on April 18, 2007, 07:43:43 PM
I'll try to grab you a CV computer when i go to the JY next time. If yuo need it before then, use vinnies.
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Post by: Thunder Chicken on April 18, 2007, 09:08:13 PM
Quote from: Aerobird Motorsports;141074
Stupid Sport! How do you guys work on these 5.0's?? There's so much stuff in the way!
It's easy - we just move all that ABS and PRC stuff to the side. Oh, wait, we don't have to worry about that :evilgrin:
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Post by: V8Demon on April 19, 2007, 12:13:25 AM
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Dumb queston but will a crown vic computer work?
YES.
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Stupid Sport! How do you guys work on these 5.0's?? There's so much stuff in the way
Chicken! Work on one of these:
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Post by: P71 on April 19, 2007, 12:35:30 AM
Pfft, the 4.6 and the LSx's weren't designed by COMPLETE morons. If I ever find the guy that came up with the water pump/front bracket assembly on the roller 5.0 I swear I will gouge his eyeballs out with a plastic Taco Bell spork. Of course the fact that they let the monkey loose on bolt sizes doesn't help (he got the TC's too, stupid standard motor with metric accessories).
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Post by: V8Demon on April 19, 2007, 12:56:13 AM
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If I ever find the guy that came up with the water pump/front bracket assembly on the roller 5.0 I swear I will gouge his eyeballs out with a plastic Taco Bell spork
And I will record it and laugh hysterically because you said SPORK!
OK fine. Do a header swap on a 99-04 4.6 Mustang.
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Post by: P71 on April 19, 2007, 10:09:53 AM
At least ALL the bolts will be metric instead of only half of them :hick:
Although I DO have to admit, absolutely NOTHING is as bad as working on a 4th gen f-body. I had a 96 LT1 and OMG that thing was a *&%$!!! You need a lift to change the plugs, you have to pull the entire front cradle from the bottom to swap motors, ahhhh!!
No wonder I like my 2.3T, I replaced EVERY bolt under the hood, and all of the bad Ford designs, and it's a joy to work on! AMC's are too, the V8's have a small "footprint" and the engine bays are HUGE.
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Post by: 84 Fila on April 19, 2007, 11:52:36 AM
Mike, are you still needing that CV computer. I'll look at the JY today when I go and grab you one if you still need it
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Post by: BlondeThunder on April 19, 2007, 01:05:54 PM
WOW, a little behind on the posts but I just learned that I have a Sport thunderbird! All this time I thought it was an LX. I just checked the VIN on my car to see if it had a 61 after the FABP and it does. I got to thinking after reading in here that they have blacked out trim. Mine has all the blacked out trim and a "star wars" dash. Which I have never seen any other Tbird with a full digital dash and very rarely a digital speedo. Might be sad, lol, but this excites me! I wonder what else I will learn....
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Post by: P71 on April 19, 2007, 03:03:54 PM
Expanding our knowledge 1 piece at a time :hick:
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Post by: thunderjet302 on April 19, 2007, 03:48:35 PM
I have a working SO computer if you need it. I pulled it out of my Bird. Dumb question but is the TFI module ok? Is the egr working ok? Your best bet would be checking all the sensors to see if they're getting juice. I bet your problem lies somewhere with a sensor.
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Post by: P71 on April 19, 2007, 06:19:30 PM
I'm trading Vinnie for an ECU and some clips ;)
I have NO idea if the TFI is good because the dizzy bolt is stripped. I do get enough spark out of any plug wire to zap John though :hick: The timing light reads bright too, so I honestly don't think it's spark.
The EGR rusted off of my old Cougar and it still ran :P
I'm going with HG's. The oil looks green and the coolant looks like oil :hick:
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Post by: Thunder Chicken on April 19, 2007, 06:34:34 PM
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...and very rarely a digital speedo. Might be sad, lol, but this excites me! I wonder what else I will learn....
Probably 80-85% of 85-88 Thunderbirds and Cougars had a digital speedo. The base dash had a digital speedometer with buttstuffogue fuel and water gauges, and idiot lights for BAT and OIL.
As for being sad - don't be. The Sport is actually a better car IMO (here comes the hate mail and death threats from LX owners). You get a traction-lock rear, quad shocks, stiffer springs, bigger sway bars, and a floor shifter. The Sport was kinda an in-between car - it was in between the LX and TC.
Mike: I dunno if bad HG's would prevent the car from starting, unless it was bad on just about every cylinder. It would run like a bag of shiznit, and smoke, and belch, and other nasty things, but unless it was hydro-locked it should still start. Blown head gaskets on both sides of the engine would be highly unlikely (remember, this is a real engine - two banks of four cylinders :flip:).
The timing being off is still a possibility, regardless of your results with the timing light. The cam timing could be off if the timing chain slipped a tooth, and somebody else may have rotated the distributor when trying to get it running again. You did say the dist bolt is stripped, so unless you did it somebody else was at it.
Another possibility - are the plug wires on in the correct order?
And a question: If the car is a write off, why are you bothering to get it started anyway, if you're only gonna take it apart? ;)
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Post by: V8Demon on April 19, 2007, 10:54:31 PM
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absolutely NOTHING is as bad as working on a 4th gen f-body. I had a 96 LT1 and OMG that thing was a *&%$!!! You need a lift to change the plugs, you have to pull the entire front cradle from the bottom to swap motors, ahhhh!!
I've never worked on an LT-1. I watched someone change plkugs on one once. I laughed at his misfortune.....
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Post by: P71 on April 19, 2007, 11:22:39 PM
Cause a running motor is worth more :hick: ?
Also, it's a LOT easier to drive then push a 5.0 Bird. I really, really wish it wasn't a goner, but I can check the gas through the trunk :(