i know it isnt much, but its a start. im not much of a body guy, so im sure im doing things the hard way. i still have a lot more holes to fill, get it all back smooth, and re-primer it all. for all the large holes im welding in sheet metal. tell me what you guys think.
Good job! Keep chipping away at it 1 project at a time, eventually it will get done.
Looks awsome. I can't wait to do that to mine when it gets painted
I plan on doing that as well.I have a long list of things I have to get done first,though.You're doing great.Every tiny bit of progress is still a step forward.Keep at it ol'boy.
Im dreading all that work that i have to do to my stang. Motor is coming out, getting painted, and at that point in doing the frame, anything i can get out underneath the car, and the engine bay. All outside, on a driveway. fun fun fun, at least i have a shed for the motor.
Looks good. What color are you painting the bay?
i havent a clue yet, and thanks for the compliments!
you see less imperfections in the engine bay with a dark color.. thus why i used black :D
Looks horrible what are you thinking.....
J/K looks awesome, I hope to do the to my cat sometime soon
this is to control the fuel:
(http://www.mustangmods.com/ims/u/225/8548/147561.jpg)
this is to control the ignition and timing:
(http://www.mustangmods.com/ims/u/225/8548/147560.jpg)
:D :D :D
this is for a carb'd 4v 4.6L, BTW.
looks bad ass man i wanna see how that intake is gonna look atop that already big sohc 4.6, wait 4v, its a dohc?
yes, DOHC. ill have the motor back from the builder ina couple of weeks. the tranny should be done then, too.
your name, IT LIES!
pretty badass anyway.
i was thinking the same thing its not gonna be a 5ohbird no more its a 4.6birdy. that motor is gonna be huge with the big intake, and dohc no? Should look nasty sitting in that engine bad though!
and im gonna get the manifold poilshed hopefully tomorrow. im debating on getting the valve covers polished, or painted the same color as the car will eventually be.
if your gonna polish the intake id polish the covers. What color is the block and heads being painted?
the heads and block are aluminum, so they wont be painted. the front cover will probably be satin aluminum.
hummm, in that case id paint the covers break it up alittle
I say polish it all up, that way it will not only whoop people's butts, but blind em at the same time!
Can't wait to see it done.
well, i fiugred id take a crack at polishing it myself. this is what i came up with:
Purdy :D
got to keep going with the steps it looks rough still you need to step it to like 1500 2000 and then really fine. a buffing wheel with some polish/compound will help. a dremle wo do the hard parts. and it could be realy polished. good luck
i havent been happy with it, since i took that pic. ive gone over it about 4 times now, and still cant get everything smooth like i want it.
i start with p120, then p220, then p320, then p800, then p2000, then i use mother's polish to shine it up.
Looking Good.
How well will the DOHC fit under a stock hood?
im 100% positive this setup WONT fit.
more progress!
i decided to weld in more metal to get a more flat surface....
looks good
Looking good, Glad all that is behind me now.
Keep welding it will be worth it in the end.
Sweet
That is cool man, that is what I have been doing with my '85 Cougar. Why did you fill the wiper motor holes though? take it is is going to be a track only car when you are done?
the wiper motor is in the pic... :screwy: but it will be mainly a track car.
oops my bad. I was really tired when I posted that and seen the holes filled beside it and.... well... nevermind. LOL
more pics!
one more
finally i get to see the set up looks insane thats gonna confuse the hell out of people once you pop the hood
Ford GT valve covers would be sweet on that thing.
What trans are you going to use? and are you going to keep the A/C?
AOD-E, and no
and what makes the GT covers different?
they are blue, and have a silver center piece that says ford racing
(http://www.fordracingparts.com/images/part/full/M-6007-GT.jpg)
Minus the blue (ive seen em in silver), they would look badass
yeah baby! yeah, the ford gt covers are baby blue wrinckle. mine will be PC when i get into the motor. either that or body color. id just have the ones you have powder coated that, or black wrinckle personally. silvers alright. i want the polished "ford raceing" coil covers but they are a tough pricey to pull the triger on those....that carb setup is gonna stick a good 2" - 3" out the hood, whats the plan?
work in progress.....
(http://www.mustangmods.com/ims/u/225/8548/154321.jpg)
thats gonna get alittle hard
I constantly tell my wife the same thing:hick:
i said a little not rock hard
And she consistantly has a headache, doesnt she?
Not consistently........I get lucky on our anniversary:punchballs: :toilet: :hick:
more progress.....
i worked on this all day wednesday, and finally gave it a rest around 8pm. its getting there.
Awesome work !!! I had thought of doing that with my car,but since it's a daily driver,it ain't happening.....at last not until I buy myself another car.
Very nice... What aftermarket K-member did you use? Mustang one?
I have to do that one day. Every time I pop the hood people ask me what all the hole in the fenders are for:hick:
(http://www.mustangmods.com/ims/u/225/8548/158226.jpg)
looking good.
Wow, that's clean
i picked this up at pick-a-part today, and im never going to finish this car. i keep getting to many ideas. :evilgrin:
You now have my attention. Explane your self:beatyoass:
looks like a stang banger dash SO?
I wish you lots of luck,and hopefully success at this enormous undertaking.If you're not going to have a/c,that should help installation a lot.
Is that SN-95?
Ive been wanting to put an 87-93 stang dash in my fairmont, but Im also thinking of an SN-95 dash too...
No AC in that old thing too...
Yes,it is from an SN-95.
yes, its from a 95 mustang. i also got the center console. the dash is gutted. no wiring or ducting for AC. its going to be a big job, but ive been researching it for awhile. ill also need to swap in the steering column, and that requires welding on a bearing plate for the steering shaft to pass through.
Yeah, and it's not a direct bolt in, there's been a coupla guys do it tho...search it out, there's pics, i used to have em till i reformatted my comp awhile back..
...and its in!
well, kinda. i have to make a couple of brackets to hold it up to the winshield. :welder:
shiznit that was fast.... man wastes no time.
Glad I wished you luck or this would've taken forever for you to fit it in there.LOL.
IT.. here i was trying to keep a low down of me doing the same thing I had to see this thread..
Okay, to save myself from being called a copycat later down the road i'm gonna dish out a pic as well..
(http://www.baxo.ca/testfit.jpg)
What are you guys going to do to make the door panels flow with the design of the dash?
I have the stang door panels too. width wise they fit, i think the bottom will have to be cut a bit short though. And the biggest challenge with that will be to move the door handle.
Actually that picture was taken in oh, i'd say September ;)
copying the idea IN a cat
copycat... both look badass!
Im glad Alex dropped that ugly ass red interior.... we must see door panels.
Hey, that looks pretty sweet.
I can vouch for that indeed.
Will it have ALL the stang stuff in it like speedo, AC controls, radio and everything? Those just look awsome in out cars. It makes me hate my 84 dash so much more now
Nothing wrong with an '84 dash...it's nice and symmetrical, very fitting for the car. It's just under-gauged. ;)
I'm seeing a little bit of a competition going on here...kudos to both of you. Hopefully one will inspire the other, overcoming the obstacles along the way, and figuring all this stuff out. It's not an easy task by any stretch.
My gauges will be custom so no, the stang guages will be out. heater controls stay.. radio.. well installing a factory radio (cougar or stang) after having the interior out completely again would just be insanity :)
Anyways i'm not the originator of this thread, nor will i speak further of my plans.. I've already said too much ;)
my dash is going to have the factory sn95 gauge cluster, and that's about it. it has no AC ducting or controls, and i might put in a radio.
Then buy a later car. I prefer the earlier dashes over the later ones. Stock gauges suck anyways....so you can always add what you need.
Personally I was never a fan of the SN-95 dash, even in the Mustang. Props for undertaking the project though.
I think the dash looks pretty cool actually. It's too much work for me, though, because the stock dash doesnt bother me at all and I dont feel a need to change it any time soon. My Tbird will be bookin at least 350hp before it sees a new dash...thats a loooong way off :D. Anyways, nice work guys!
The reason why I did it, is it's a convertible. the inside counts just as much as the outside. So i had 2 choices, paint the old dash (which has been done before *Ahem ERIC ahem* or go for a completely different look. and I can't beat the deal i got on the mustang interior. So, mustang wins.
Yeah...I also dont have the luxury of a daily driver other than the Tbird, so I can't really embark on any long term projects just yet. I'm doing what I can, though :) . I cant wait to see both interiors finished and clean, though!
I thought we were all into these cars because they're not Mustangs. :beatyoass:
Just kidding. Great work guys.
QFT...
Lol but interesting none the less. I don't think I really had any problems with the dash in my 87. I'd have liked an buttstuffog cluster, but meh. I'd really savvy something like Eric's, but knowing me, I'd be waaay to lazy to embark in that bowl of spaghetti.
i like that idea but i just want new gauges, mine only go to 85!
id use an 01 up center console...its better ;)
i wasnt going to use the sn 95 door pannels. it looked as if the stock tbird ones would have worked nicely with the sn 95 dash. way better than the guys in fox stangs trying to keep the stock door pannels. the sn95 door pannels are a ton of work to make fit right i guess. plus out door handles are in different spots. realy looking foward to finnished pics on this!
awesome. both of you guys make me want to punch myself in the face for selling my car.
I think the '98 up have 2 cupholders.
Great job guys. Keep us posted.
You should be ashamed for keep this from us. LOL
I have mine all on the table.
I like to have an element of surprise. ;)
Looks cool:D
I still like my stock spinach green full digi dash :hick:
Oh wow.. the door panels are a pain in the ass! I don't recommend anyone trying to go through this hassle. But I don't give up.. I'm going to get these door panels to fit and as soon as I am happy with the result, you will see some pictures.
Looks good guys, I have a fox stang dash that I will be using when I get to putting the interior back into the cougar.
Towards the end of last year, I read about a 83' Cobra that a guy put the entire running gear and interior out of a 03' Cobra into it. They grafted part of the firewall into the 83' to make the installation of the A/C\heater suitcase easier. They made custom door panels and said that was a real pain in the butt. That gave me the idea of putting the sn95 dash into my car as well.......Darn it!!!!! You guys beat me to that!! :shoothead Oh well, so be it then, I'll just be know as another copybird, I mean copycat. Now just to sneak that one past the finance manager. :D
But the Mustang dash is so, well, plasticky, for lack of a better term. The design is cool, but if I had to touch it on a daily basis *shudder*.
the pre 01 center console puts the cup holders too close to the shifter for one. it freakin drove me nuts when shifting. the 01-04 center consolemoves the cup holdders back, moves the second 12 source into the storage bin (not sure if thats actually better but whatever), deletes the stupid useless "coing holder" (sort of, i moved my foglight switch to that position), and adds a leather boot for the e-brake lever. upr makes some nice inserts for the cupholders for the later console as well. not sure bout the earlier ones. i think the storage bin was a touch bigger but im not sure. its been awhile since i swapped.
pre 01
(http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b174/shame302/100_3358.jpg)
01-04
(http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b174/shame302/aae9_1_b.jpg)
as far as the door pannels, i thought the tbird door handles would clear the dash and function well with the sn95 dash. the fox mustang guys have a problem with the fox door handles intersecting the sn95 dash because they are up so far. the birds/cougars handles are further back. props to you if you can make the sn95 door pannels work and all the ac stuff work.
More progress pics !!!!! I love this stuff !!!
I like my 84 dash. Ive driven SN-95 Mustangs. Not a big fan of the dash. I dont mind a dash being more focused on the driver as in angle of things, but I like my stock dash just fine. Mine is mint too haha with an aftermarket dash pad on it since 89 muwahaha.
Hmm My But... Im Not Telling Or Showing Any Thing Till Cat Jam 08 ...lets Just Say It Involves A Pink Bunny Suit And A Tub Full Of Peptobismol
here's a pic of the stock panel dyed to match the dash. let me know what you think.
i still need to touch up a few areas and get a replacement carpet patch for the bottom. doesnt look to bad if you ask me.
The door panel matches suprisingly well. That's going to look trick!
How's the dash holding up? And all of the little pieces? Broken many clips? Have any rattles yet? I ask becuase every SN95 I've driven/ridden in (including test driving a new Mach 1) rattled like crazy!
nice.. keep up the good work
what kind of seats you planning on using?
looks good matches nice!
I'm going to do some door panel work.How hard do you think it would be to replace the carpet on the panel making it conform to the shape.My panels are like yours.I had bought some grey TC panels,but actually,I don't like them.You did some very nice work so far.Thanks for the motivation.
cool, they do look decent. thats awesome! congrats... they work as well as i thought they would so im stoked for ya. my plan was to cut back where the map pocket was, build an enclosure for a 6.9 so it was tight to the door, but tilted up and back then carpeted again to match.
the sn95 stang door pannels (like baxo is finding out) are a royal pain in the jock. they mount entirely different. i wasnt going to get into that. they sure will be sick in there though.
mine is tight and makes 0 rattles or squeeks. the only weird interior noise i get is from the shaker gasket wiggling the hood.
Now don't everyone get mad at me for saying this, but isn't our Bird dashes "Plasticky" also?? I know my center console sure is. I was going to pull it out....toss it.... custom make one that I like. Then again, I don't really want to do that either.
I like the way the stang dash flows and how the console flows with it. And besides......they look killer in our cars :evilgrin:
YaaaaHoooooo!! Got the approval from the finance manager!! She says that she likes the stang dash better than the original. So If anyone wants or need a good dash let me know. PM or email me.
John
That one hell of a project. Should look really cool when you're finished.
Dont forget to replace your heater core while the dash is out, you'll thank yourself later!
Point, our consoles are pretty bad. Not as bad as MN12 Bird's though! :hick: Our door panels are a LOT nicer, but you can keep those and have the Stang dash :D I have a question though, doesn't the passenger side glovebox area say "Mustang"?
And I went for lookey-see at the neighbors '01 and I remembered what rattled, all of the pieces around the shifter. He velcro'd his :hick:
the air bag says rustang.
who needs a working heater in Texas? :crazy:
Well its not so much the heater functionality as the puddles of coolant a bad core leaves on your floor :)
Hahah, I do!
You should've asked me that a couple weeks ago when a front came through and the temp dropped down to 38 at night! I forgot these fronts dont usually make it as far south as Houston....Lucky!
38!!! That is warm up here! lol
alex will you have that convertible done for Carslile or you taking the XR/7
I"m not taking either cars to carlisle, i'm just taking myself.
and now the brackets...
stuhjsnty
two more
how come the center console likes like a different color?
Wana do mine next?
becasue it IS a different color. ;)
im in the process of dying all the brown interior charcoal gray and black.
ah i had a feeling but didn't wanna make an assumption. You do good work man!!
a pic of the new carpet strip. :D
Looking better and better!
and im almost done with the primer!
looks like the AJE i had....
it is an AJE. i had to wait about 5 weeks for it, but it cost me $375 shipped w/ spring perches through a local dealer here. im using the stock fox control arms w/ sn95 ball joints, too.
32VFoxBird, looking good there :D After I finish with the thru-floor sub-frame connectors. I'll be starting to do the same. Wife even likes the work you've done, she don't like cars that much but she's slooooowly coming around :beatyoass: Anyway great job you've done. Keep the pics rolling in :D
John
Wow, that looks awesome. Excellent work! :D
oh no why you covering up your speeeeeed holes?! :D
there's a few left. :evilgrin:
Do mine next!
Nice work! That had to take some time. I'm lookin forward to seeing that 4 cam engine in there.
a little teaser....
(http://www.mustangmods.com/ims/u/225/8548/165675.jpg)
Azure Blue single stage
should be getting sprayed on the 20th by a friend. :D
you mean you're running out? jk.
Let me know when ya can do mine, and I'll have the engine out by then. Looks great, btw.
That's what I am in the process of doing but I may do all stainless.
Azure blue is shagy....
another photochop:
(http://www.mustangmods.com/ims/u/225/588/167123.jpg)
kinda looks like it doesnt have any clear, but oh well.
stop chopping just do it! lol
and its done! i have to let it dry until tomorrow, before i remove the tape. overall i think it turned out great. it took me and my friend about an hour and a half to clean and prep it, before spraying the primer down.
So this is a drag only car?
eh, drag/ weekend car
looks great. Now I don't feel bad for my workbench being piled up, lol.
that happened 5 min after i put in the cabinets. :o
Looks Tits man. Nice Job:D :D
Almost looks "alien" without the swiss-cheese going on. Nice work. When are you going to paint the exterior?
That looks sweet. I hope my Capri's engine bay looks as good as yours.
i had the same exact idea, except i have to leave 1 big hole for my 4 inch intake tube to run through.. engine bay is looking great!
not real sure. i need to get some money together, to have my heads "cleaned up". i was planning on painting the outside after i have the drivetrain in, but i may paint it before then. id like to get front and rear fiberglass bumper covers, and shave the "moldings" off for a smooth look all around.
another little update...
i finally got a steering column, shaft, and wheel. turns out the guy sent me the wrong key with the lock cylinder. so i figured i would replace it with a new one. turns out, you need the "correct" key to get the cylinder out. so i beat the ever loving shiznit out of it, till it popped out. then i go to oreilly's and buy a new assy for $15. come back and it slid right in.
later i was thinking if my t-bird cylinder would work, and after my son's ballgame, i gave it a try. and it worked! saves me from having to deal a bunch of keys now, and im going to take the new cylinder back for a refund. :D
oh, and the sn95 steering shaft will mate to the fox rack, if you use the fox steering knuckle on the sn95 shaft. the fox rack has splines, whereas the sn95 rack is more of a hex shape. i never could find any detailed info on the column swap into a fox.
a little update:
i got the heads over to the shop last week. i should have them back next week, and then the motor will be assembled.
i did get another step of the dash swap finished. i had to cut out a piece of the firewall from a sn95 mustang to use the sn95 steering column. i got the fox knuckle bolted onto the sn95 shaft, also.
Glad to see you pushing through with the dash conversion! It's gonna be awesome :D .
a small update.....
i had my friend come by and touch up the firewall where i had to weld in that support bearing thingy. i also got the SKRC manual brake kit installed.
Lookin good keep up the good work
wow! long time since an update. but anyways...
i fabbed up a low mount alternator bracket, to kind of "unclutter" the top of the motor.
(http://www.mustangmods.com/ims/u/3911/10232/189510.jpg)
Sweet !!!!!!
You really do great work.
thanks Vinnie! the bracket is is hideous! but it serves its purpose.
Coolios.
No way,Man.It's not hideous.That's cool.Just make sure all of the edges are smooth,sand it and paint it.No-one would know the difference.Just tell everyone who asks that it was a factory part that was discontinued a year or so ago.Get them wondering.
nice work!! glad to see its coming along!
got the chains installed, and decided to do a test fit today. my k-member allows 1" set back from stock(??). its installed as far back as i could get it. bad news is, its about 1" from the firewall. also the oilpan rubs when you push the front of the motor down.(trans is not installed yet). ill try some offset rack bushings, to see if it clears then.
that looks SO badd ass!! Would be sweet to see a roots with a carb on there!! but that carb and intake will look amazing in there. Good job man!
I don't remember if this was asked, but do you think this will clear a stock hood?
the motor, yes. the carb and air cleaner it will have on it, no.
like the intake
i found this on summit's site today. :evilgrin:
http://www.autometer.com/cat_mountsdetail.aspx?vid=398&mid=12&mdl=17&gw=13
That swap is gonna be awesome when its done. People are gonna think you swapped in a boss 429 at first glance because of the carbed intake and giant valve covers.
Is that K member a 4.6 K Member?
yes, for a mod motor in a fox chassis.
after 3.5hrs, i finally got the 4r70w in! i had to pull it back out, due to the converter not being engaged all the way. in the process it slipped off the jack. luckily my hand broke its fall. (would want to hurt my fresh trans) i am going to need to move my crossmember back about an inch now. it rubs the pan, and the the mount wont line up with the slots. its at the height it needs to be though. the oilpan now clears the rack by about 1/16"! i may switch to manual rack for extra clearance, since im using stock motor mounts. ill mess with the trans x-member once i get my bottle filled for my welder.
well, i decided to move the motor up into the front holes on the k-member. having the motor against the firewall wasnt worth the trouble of modifying everything to make it work. now everything clears and bolts up fine so far.
1st pic is when the motor was in the front slots of the k-member. 2nd pic is with it in the rear slots. i gained around 1.5" of clearance moving the motor.
You say you're using "stock" mounts. Once I can get them done, I am working on 4.6 mounts...
EDIT-
Oh wait. Derrr. You're using the Mustang mounts. Never mind.
i dont know if there is a difference between the stang mounts and any other car/truck with a 4.6/5.4...... but i am using mustang ones.
How much longer (from front to back) is a 4.6 than a 302?
The MN-12 mounts are TOTALLY different, which are the ones I replace. (or will replace)
1/2" longer according to the ford racing catalog.
EDIT: that's compared to a 03 cobra motor which uses 2 belts. my motor measures 23-3/8" from back of block to the face of the water pump .
Hmm I thought it was longer. I know it's wider :hick:
this is an amazing project. Keep us up to date.
thanks! i might start working on getting the exterior painted now.
If I ever pull the 2.3 out of mine Id probobly go in this direction. Call me crazy but I miss carberators.
What all electronics do you still need to make it work? what about a distributor?
Fallowing this one like a hawk
im using a MSD igntion controller. it doesnt require a distributor. it handles the timing by reading the factory crank and cam sensors.
thats cool
new motor! sorry for the shiznitty cell phone pics. its a 5.4 navigator motor with a sullivan intake and proform 750 carb.
THAT ought to do it.
Are those exaust manifolds stayin on? Are there headers that will fit?
ill be using the exhaust manifolds.there arent any companies that i know of making headers for this application. im sure i could order a set or customs, but that's big $$$.
Wow, that is a great project you have going there. Good job!
I'm diggin the new motor! Definitly not gonna clear the hood with that intake. :D It's gonna look sweeeeet!
Hi, I'm the guy thats going to steel your car when its done!lol
just kidding man. Good gawd! that thing is gona move!
good luck! LOL!
i picked some seats up today off craigslist for $100/pr. im gonna spray dye the blue with grey, or maybe just solid black. not too sure right now.
and here's a few more clearer pics of the motor. i think the stock intake resembles one of the aliens in the movie independance day. :hick:
Awesome,just awesome.Are you going to get new valve covers?Get that Boss 429 look.Sweeeeeeet.
No way! aftermarkets are mucho $$, plus they dont work with coil-on-plugs.
might want to check into the aussi boss 290 headers. i `think` thats what a buddy of mine is useing on his 5.4 DOHC. next time i talk to him ill check. (never mind i think they needed to me modded.)
its gonna be tight in there. check out his thread if ya getboared.http://www.mach1registry.org/forums/showpost.php?p=693461&postcount=66
http://www.mach1registry.org/forums/showthread.php?t=57118
also, why the heck are those "aftermarket" valve covers and coil covers so dang expensive anyway? at least powdercoat is inexpensive and leaves you with options....
ive heard of using the aussie 4v headers. there's a guy on the corral that had a few sets. i pm'd him a couple days ago, to see if he still had a pair left. havent heard back from him yet.
(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e376/birdman941/white%20body/Stage%203/IMG_0972.jpg)
curtainly would be worth looking into. if you can puppies them cheep enough anyway. even if they dont work you could probably resell them i guess.
alrighty....
i got the motor in, and had a few snags. the navi driver side exhaust manifold will not clear the steering shaft. the oil pan rubs the steering rack(still!), and i got the wrong bolts for the flexplate. i wound up having to pull the trans out, so we could get the motor in. (i had 2 friends come over, and they werent coming over to do nothing, LOL!)
im now on the hunt for a manual steering rack, driver side cobra exhaust manifold, and the correct flexplate bolts. then i get to re-stab the 200lbs trans! yay me!
the carb sticks out of the hood by 2" right now. it will be higher once i have the N2O plate and air cleaner on there. i will look into using a "shaker" style hood scoop, as i feel a 6" cowl hood will look ridiculous on this car.
all I can say is....Thats Awesome !!!
Great Job! Takes up more room than the Cadillac 500. These cars sure had a nice big engine compartment.
TED
Better hope you never break a motor mount, there's nowhere for that block to go! How much room is actually between the head and strut tower?
BTW, slow down....you're starting to make me feel bad for not working on my own car.
Jim
beasty
i got the trans installed after locating some flexplate bolts. i had a friend come by and give me a hand. it only took about 20min to the 200lbs trans bolted in.
i ran into another snag on the oil pan. i bought a new pan for a 4.6 mustang, and when we were turning the motor over to get the converter nuts on, the motor would get in a bind. turns out one of the crank counterweights was rubbing the ser in the pan. so we had to lift it back up, drop the oil pan, and smooshed the sers down so the crank would clear. ill seems fine now.
im actually going to try to get it to start today, if i can get a fuel pump, and the ignition controller wired.
Hell the 5.4 barely fits in the bay. I think a 460 fits with more clearance ;)
Nice job though :D
well, after many attempts, it wont run. i had it start briefly, but then died. i hooked my laptop up to it, to see if it would tell anything, and it came with "cam sensor fail, coil 1 input, coil 3", and some other BS. im not sure if i was getting a 12v to the controller. i have the ignition on a 35a lighted toggle switch, and when i crank it over, the light on the switch will "blink". like its getting drained. i found my old starter solenoid, and im gonna see if having that wired in will fix any kind of power drain.
i also forgot to plug the cooler lines, so i had about 5 qts of tranny fluid blown all over my driveway. :shakehead
My memory of this info on these motors is vauge at best, But I belive there is "issues" with moving them from one car to another. A wireing issue that will (is intended to) stop them from running to make them useless or at least a pain in the ass for chop shops to steal them.
If you are aware of what I'm talking about then never mind.
If you have never heard of such a thing then I'm pretty sure where I read it was someplace on Sergio's site http://www.cobra4me.com/
when he was building his Super Cobra he came accrost it...
wtf, I went and found what I was talking about anyway.. (wasent going to bother if you were already aware)
This page
http://www.cobra4me.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=95
10th Message down..
" I wanted to make the engine run before I pull it, but the Passive Anti Theft System is denying me the pleasure, it seems that the mangled driver's door that I already threw in the trash had a module needed for the system to recognize the key, so there's no fuel and probably no spark for the engine to fire...it cranks and turns but won't start, so if I remove the components now and get rid of most of the wiring and unnecessary systems I think it will run ok.
"
THAT's what I'm taking about, and about all I know about it is that it exsist... Have you looked into this?
Sergio get's arround it and I'm sure you will also if you havent already, or even if it exisist on your perticular setup.
Just wanted to mention it.
that info would be useful if i was using a factory ECU, but i have a MSD stand alone ignition system.
a very brief vid.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uh3kXBq4Fn0
sounds like its gonna be a hell of a beast!
Sounds nice:hick:
i said it before... ill say it again. beasty.
thanks! it'll run a little longer after i get a fuel pump, some tuning, and a starter!
that's effin gnarly! :birdsmily:
well, it stays running with a fuel pump, but still wont idle. im gonna try to tweak the ignition timing tomorrow night. my ears are still ringing.
there appears to be a problem with the motor. its most likely a bent valve, but may be rings. 2 of the cylinders show low compression on my tester, but im going to do a leak down test later today. in other words, im not happy at all. im at least going to have to pull a head off.
ive talked with the guy i bought the motor from, and he seems willing to help me out. i dont know exactly how far, but he wants to know the results of the leak down test.
, that sucks. I hope you get her taken care of. She sounds so mean and happy.
Suck man!
On another note, is it wrong to yell "C'mon, c'mon!" to the computer while watching that vid?
^^HAHA I did the same exact thing. Nothin more bothersome than an engine just bein' uncooperative like that! I then shouted "YES" once it fired up :giggle:
i guess i should have started the video at the end. LOL!
finally got it to idle after messing with the 4-corner idle screws. a quick vid, and the smoke you see is steam. i havent plumbed in the radiator yet.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WW6YPCRvoo
rawr. sounds hella nice, but also sounds like a pissed off tugboat.
Cant wait till we see some times.
another one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4k4rwCxVeA
That is awesome. The whole build is awesome. Keep going and don't give up.
oh, i wont. ive came too far now. after doing a leak down test, it appears that i dont have a bent valve or bad rings. test showed normal leakdown at around 20% @ 30psi.
Awesome work man, awesome.
Can't wait to see pics of the finished product!
got a few more parts in this week...
jegs brand 8an hose 15ft
assortment of jegs an fittings
jegster universal sump
procomp 140gph fuel pump
sump lol thats a small sump..
whats the fly swater for? gives a new meaning to working the bugs out :D
/\ LOL! wouldn't the mustang style sump fit our tanks?
no, because the stang's are angled. our birds have a flat bottom tank.
, you've done a great job. Hope to see you at Baytown or Sealy sometime. :)
What part of Houston are you two from? I live near League City and work at Hobby Airport.
Jason
i live on the NE side, near crosby.
That's freakin awesome! Nice work... It lives!
Since no-one asked. What was all the smoke from in the first video?
Der :hick: I guess I should read slower.
this is a bad thred im getting bad ideas about my grandpas nav
huh?
he means its making him think about stealing the motor from him grandfathers navigator.
thankyou sir
Yeah you'll NEED that a sump. The engine in my 88 will stall under full throttle with less than 3/4 of a tank because the gas sloshes away from the fuel pump pick up. Your engine would probably be even better than mine at doing that with a stock tank :hick:
i hope it works out ok. i have a friend that's going to weld it on.
i also have another small update:
i sold me intake and carb........
carb was too big(from what several have told me), and wanted an intake with the water x-over. so i was able to order this the other day:
(http://www.mustangmods.com/ims/u/225/588/217290.jpg)
and i plan on buying a 650 for cheap, and putting a kit in it myself. i also found a trick way to install AN fittings on your hose without cutting the shiznit out of your hands, arms, face, etc. :D
wrap the braids with tape before you cut them? what you use to cut them makes a big difference too.
, straight!!! Show that motor off!!
Can you get 5.4 stickers for the air cleaner, like they have on the older muscle cars?
I've reread the entire thread with renewed interest, and I can't wait to see this thing done. Boy, if that 5.4 fits, I know my 400 will.:D
I i got a 650 four barrel holley, i was suppose to trade it to fila but like that would happen. let me know if your interested. Needs a cleaning BAD and more then likely a rebuild.
I just did the same thing...
new manifold arrived yesterday, and today i took it to have a couple of fittings welded on. ill have it back tomorrow, but then its getting ceramic coated at another place! it will look somewhat polished. i cant wait to see it. it'll take about a week.
for the polished look, the intake had to be sanded down to at least 320grit. so i took it too a chrome plating shop and had them do it. they did a good job. the exterior feels like glass.
now i need to get it to the other place for coating. i may go today, if my back stops hurting.
since i cant sleep, i decided to pull the timing cover off and paint it to match the cam covers. i also cleaned up the dust everywhere, and took a better pic this time....
very sick dude is that the 4.6 or 5.4? i havent check back to see.
very nice!
5.4l from a '02 Navigator
are you switching to efi? cause it looks like that intake is drilled for injectors?
Dude thats bad a$$ keep the pics coming !!
no, still using a carb. Sullivan was out of stock of the carb version manifolds. im going to plug the holes with some small freeze plugs.
:burnout:
man the DOHC 5.4 is W I D E and lookin good!
on the bottom of each runner is extra casting for a fogger setup. :evilgrin:
(http://www.mustangmods.com/data/3214/100_0112.jpg)
that wont happen unless i replace the powdered rods and pistons.
holy shiznit..
installed the carpet i got from somebody here about a year ago. LOL!
so you're the one who got my black carpet that I wanted. Lucky you. Enjoying following this thread.
looking good!!
sorry about that! :D
and here's a pic of it in it's current state. i have the front on jackstands. i was going to try to set the alignment, but my tie rods are done. i was gonna set it, then push it out in the driveway for a wash and another pic, but that's not happening.
it should also be noted that i havent had the fenders, hood, and front end on in about a year. it makes me feel like i have a whole car again. :D
Ok:
1. How the are you gonna change plugs?!? LOL
2. When is the interior gonna be done? I LOVE this swap, totally killer. How's the dash height going to be? Looks like it might be a little higher than the 'bird dash at the top of that arc...?
3. Next time I'm in Texas, can I drive it?!? Ok, I'll settle for sitting in it! I really wanna get a feel for that dash... :D
Actually it would be easier to change plugs on that than a 5.0. The plugs go in through the center of the cam covers.
Oh yeah. LOL, I totally forgot!
This is inspiring to me if I 4V 5.4 my Cat I am giving you the credit!
ok, so the dash height question still stands but also wondering how heavy that complete motor is...?
im not sure on the height of the dash. the motor weighs roughly 550lbs.
I'm really just looking for more of a feel, not a measurement. For example, how will it be sitting in the seat and driving? It appears a bit higher, think it'll be wierd to look over?
This might help. Here is a picture comparison from about the same distance and angle. It doesn't look like it's much different height wise.
Brent
:cougarsmily:
yeah, that does help. It looks a bit higher where the dash arches up, but not much, huh? 1-2" maybe?
The angles aren't exactly the same but it appears to be no more than an inch or two different if it is at all.
Brent
:cougarsmily:
if you draw a line with your eye tangent to the top of the highest point of the dash and over to the mirror trim plate, they look nearly the same height to me.
So, why the talk in earlier posts about no A/C making the dash install easier?
because you have to trim about 3" off the back of it to make the dash fit flush to the windshield. along with tpuppies the steel supports to clear the a-pillars. it is no way a "bolt-in". if you are thinking about doing the swap, i would do a google search to see what everyone else has done to make it fit.
Oh yeah, I know it's not a bolt in! That's what makes it fun! I'm just wondering what tpuppies the dash has to do with the a/c. I started a thread in the interior forum about an sn95 dash swap. Would you mind sharing your personal experience over there?
my guess is ductwork prevents AC, with that much trimmed off.
Awesome work. One word of caution, though: do yourself a favor and take a CLOSE look at the spark plug threading in the heads, especially for plug #3. There have been reports that many of those engines don't have enough thread for the plugs and they sometimes spit the plugs out. An ounce of prevention and all that...
im gonna need a tall hood!
pic is of a carb im going through mounted on the intake with a N20 plate.
add the filter... yeah thats tall. How much is it sticking out right now? how much taller is it with the filter?
I just had a vision.... tall cowl+ Fox SVO scoop opened up= greatness! just an idea
Putting headers on that must of been fun!Great job and patience.
Sweet.Keep us posted,and more pics please.
actually i was thinking of using the center section from the mach 1 hood, and glassing it onto a stock replacement fiberglass hood with the mach scoop. :D
That works even better than I expected. The body lines match up pretty closely. It will look great and function well as a bonus.
Are you going to raise up the back of it? I forgot that you had all that stuff. Looks good. totally original. Even if you didnt raise the back up i think it might look ok. Are you going to make a tray for the bottom of the scoop to mount on tha carb? Are you cutting out all of the hood that will be covered by the Mach section?
so many questions!
yes, ill make a bracket for the scoop. yes, ill be cutting a large section out of the hood. and ill have the hood look as close to a original mach as possible. the height of the scoop is going to determine how high the hood is going to be.
Sorry but I think I might be more excited than you to see it finish! I always wanted to make a cowl hood out of a 96-98 (cant remember what year it was) cobra R hood. I like the way it looks like it steps up twice. I guess now that i look at it more you could trim the front to make it a shorter height after leveling the rear too.
its no problem. ill be excited too, when i find a good fiberglass guy. LOL!
Its not too difficult. Bring her up here and I'll do it for you. I love making custom pieces. You should see the hood Im making for my truck. lol now thats a project.
Wow, that sticks out more than I expected! Is that shaker gonna cut it?
i think so. as long as i get the height of the center section right.
BTW, your interior looks tits, man!
Thanks! Couldn't have done it without your parts (but the pedals were a nightmare, lol), not to mention the all important inspiration! I had forgotten all about the SN dash swap for the last few years and this thread is actually what got me going. Gonna start toying with those door panels next.
Anyway, good luck with that hood! I can't wait to see a shaker on that 'bird. Gonna be so dope!
another update!
i redid all the brake lines, except the ones that run along the rear axle. those were redone a couple years back. its all 3/16" tubing with a mix of 45* tube nuts and 37* AN fittings. :hick:
one of the pics shows where i had to drill a hole in the strut tower, just so one of the lines could screw onto the MC.
more....
Fake Shaker :shakehead:
Functional Shaker :headbang:
Please do me one favor so that I don't have nightmares. Put either some hose (fuel line or vacuum) over those lines where they pass through metal, or add some grommets.
Lookin' good.
i spent a good 2 hours getting the length of these hoses cut, so i could get them screwed on. i havent messed with braided hoses in awhile, but ill say this. Jeg's brand hose ends are the EASIEST to work with. i had absolute hell with one XRP fitting.
Is it going to be done to make a pass this season do you think?
id say its at least a couple more months out from moving under its own power.
im getting another idea on how to mount regulators....
What became of this project?
I couldn't find anything else about it.