Hey, i was reading that the new Dodge Charger would be 4 door !!!???? hey, it is one of my prefered Muscle cars. What do you think about using a name only for sell cars ? i hope that the future cougar wont be like this.......
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It has four doors, but it is also RWD, fully independent suspension and has a Hemi engine option (actually it has two hemi options, the 345-horse 5.7 and the 425-horse 6.1 SRT-8 version). I only wish Ford would make a car like that...
Sounds cool to me. I wouldn't count it out just because it has 4 doors, but I guess it is getting away from what it was originally.
is it just me, or does Ford really only have one legendary car, the Mustang (and it really isn't all that legendary). there's chargers, camaros, vettes, cudas, gtos, challengers, roadrunners, etc. and all ford had was the stinkin' mustang. I don't think they'll ever make another car that can compete alongside the mustang...
Must be somewhat of a legend.....Of the others you mentioned only the mighty Corvette has gone on as long. All the others were given the ax at one point (only the GTO returned and if the public resonse to it's return stays the same, it may well disappear again)
Ford had plenty of legends. Cougar, Torino, Galaxy, Fairlane, Marauder, and of course the Cobra and GT40
If you owned a 427-powered Fairlane you could hold your own against any of those so-called "legends". Remember the Thunderbolt? I'd call that legendary...
As for the Charger, don't forget what that name was applied to in the 80's
Carm....have you SEEN the new Charger?
Ugh. What a hunk of ass. All the RWD/Hemi hype in the world won't make up for an ugly car. Look at the GTO.
Oh, I agree that it's ugly, but it's fast, so it has at least one thing going for it :D
The GTO isn't so much ugly as much as it just doesn't have a look at all. It's too plain to be ugly.
The front end looks like an older Dakota.
PS - GTO = Grand Am with different drivetrain.
I read that if there is a good response to the Charger, there may be another version called the Daytona. It is supposed to be the same design as the Charger but a 2 door. But what's the difference. It will still be ugly.
looks like a stretched, 05 mustang w/a different grill!! Nice specs on the motor , but a 03 cobra w/ modest mods will beat those #'s and not be ugly enough to make a train take a dirt road!!
I can't wait till dodge starts sticking that big obnoxious grille onto the Neons.
Chrysler is eliminating all 2-doors. This is the last year for the Stratus and Sebring coupes. All hope for a better-looking 2-door Charger has all but flown out the window, I'm afraid.
And I figured out what's wrong with the Charger. It does not have the classic RWD long hood/short deck proportions, so for all the world it's got the presence of a front-drive car, leaning too far forward. Plus it's got the front end of a Himilayan cat, all scrunched up and whatnot for that nice 'pre-wrecked' presence.
The Chrysler 300 looks way better. Still dorky looking, but way better than the Charger.
I doubt the Charger will do very well at all in its class.
Here's your Daytona, fresh from the NAIAS:
I like that color on the "Daytona". Maybe I should get my Ram painted that way? Hmmmm...... :evilgrin:
I was remembering how was the charger concept in the Mid 2000 (i guess) i prefer it sooo much over the new. What was wrong with this car ? i guess that in the DC they have personality problems.....
This charger was a little bit better than the new....
1999 concept
V8 4.7 litres CNG Supercharged
325 HP
5 speed Manual
1361 kg
Yes, the new is 5.7 hemi with 340, is automatic 5 speed and weights 1800 kg. This is only for demonstrate which is the sport car.....
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sorry, never really heard of those, and if I ask anyone else few would say any different. when people think of muscle cars they just don't think of ford. and the thunderbolt is a one in a million car anyways.
and just cuz they put a name on a shiznitty car doesn't mean the older cars aren't as good.
So no one else knows those names just because you don't?
A Galaxie was one of my first cars, when I was a teen.
I wasn't saying the 80's charger made the 60's and 70's charger any worse, I was saying that it makes the four-door model not the worst thing that ever happened to the Charger name, just like the four-door '82 Cougar wagon makes all other versions of the Cougar, including the FWD model, look better.
If your friends have never heard of those legendary Ford cars you're hanging around Chev or Mopar guys. Tell Tom (Turbocoupe50) that his 428-powered Torino isn't a muscle car. My old '66 Galaxie 500 (390 4bbl) was pretty ed muscular (325 horses) even with its C6 tranny. The Talledega Torino's were extremely quick and fast. Hell, even the 429 Thunderjet powered T-Birds (another legendary name, hell, we even have a messageboard right here devoted to it) could hold their own against any contemporary competitor.
There have been front-wheel-drive Chargers, Malibu's, Impala's, Monte Carlo's, Bonnevilles, Tempests, Lemans, Cutlasses, Regals, etc. The Challenger name has even been applied to a four-cylinder puppiesanese econopoopster, and even Shelby sold out with stickercharged FWD shiznitboxes in the 80's (granted, some were fast, but some were dog-assed slow as well). The early versions of those cars were legendary, to be true, but the names themselves have long lost their legendary status. Meanwhile the Mustang, Thunderbird, and Crown Victoria names have all remained RWD, and with the exception of the '74 Mustang and 89-90 Thunderbird, they have always had available V8 power. The Cougar was ized in '82 and again in '99, so I can't really brag too much about that one, but for the most part Ford has at least kept its legendary names legendary.
It all comes down to this: What's in a name? Chrysler owns the Charger name, and if they see fit to stick it on a decontented 300 Sedan, it's their call. If they can stick it on a fastback Omni they can do pretty much whatever they want. If Ford decides to cut two doors off an already slow selling (despite its excellence and popularity everywhere else in the world) sedan and call it a Cougar, then watch it flounder on the market, it's their perogative. If they decide to take an enormous and seriously overweight car and stick a high-winding, low torque engine in it and call it a Marauder, so be it. In the end, if the consumer likes the car it will sell (like the 300). If they don't, it'll fail (Like the T-Bird, Cougar, and Marauder). People buy cars, not names.
actually I don't have many friends I talk to regularly, having graduated and gone to a real college and not the city college (high school with ash trays) and not many of them drive. those who do drive, drive trucks (S10, B2200, Ranger, Ranchero).
I'm just saying that most people recognize muscle car names other than ford. not just because of speed, either. you can hate me all you want, but most of these fords you're noting are pretty ugly to me, especially compared to other muscle cars. just my opinion tho.
all I'm saying is that most people (from what I see/hear/know) recognize ford for one car; the mustang. I just wish that they made some other cars that could compete with it. kinda like how the Falcon is an aussie car only. from the specs it seems like even the 6 cylinder could whip a mustang (362hp, 405 ft/lb; V8=388hp, 383 ft/lb). instead they make an underpowered 500, an overpriced Tbird, and a FWD 4-banger cougar. wtf??
btw this is the falcon
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I agree 100% with the Falcon (which, BTW, is another of those "legendary" names). I'd love to see Ford (and GM) bring some of their Aussie products here (I know, I know, GTO, but it doesn't count. They overpriced it and thus doomed it to failure). I especially love the utes
yeah the goat is overpriced and about as exciting styling-wise as a saturn
The GTO looks too much like a grand prix in my opinion, and that Charger looks like it got hit with the "ugly bat". Kind of like the ram pick up and the magnum wagon had a baby and the Charger was the result.
The charger looks to me like they ripped fords 67 stang off and slapped a British cigarettenum front end on it and here comes the chrysler kicker the headlights have eyelids.
Actually, Holden of Australia (GM owned) originally made the "GTO"
GM imports, rebadges it, and calls it a GTO, but to me it snt really a GTO, and anyways, it does look like a GP...
it looks like every other pontiac out there
sold out huh? i personally thing he did an awesome thing by taking a lightweight, affordable car, adding new intake manifolds, a garret T04 turbo, intercooler, suspension mods such as springs and swaybars, fully adjustable Koni's, wheels, tires, a bit of a body package, and sold it for a cheap enough price for most people to afford
Hey, I liked those ashtrays! :grinno:
Seriously though, a horsepower war has started. Now there has to be a side battle of styling to go with it.
I love the Mustang and I dare say I like the 300. Of the others in production or soon to be in production, nothing has caught my eye.