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Title: Don't Get Ripped Off!
Post by: DVP on January 20, 2007, 03:33:59 PM
so i have pretty much made up my mind that im swapping my tranny out. i cant get this one to shift and it is leaking really bad from the hole that i stripped one late night.

So what is a good price to do so?


what can i expect from a shop?
What can i expect from a independent mechanic?


just some round about numbers will help. dont want to pay more and get ripped off.
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Post by: Clayton on January 20, 2007, 03:35:31 PM
free... do it yourself.
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Post by: DVP on January 20, 2007, 03:44:18 PM
im not f'n with it! im dont with the transmission game all together and i dont give up on things that i fail at first
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Post by: shame302 on January 20, 2007, 04:22:20 PM
5 speed swap ;)
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Post by: DVP on January 20, 2007, 04:26:31 PM
Quote from: shame302;124758
5 speed swap ;)


in the end auto is faster and i dont have the money to do all that. just want to do a direct swap
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Post by: Tbird232ci on January 20, 2007, 05:16:41 PM
Quote from: cougar86_89;124754
im not f'n with it! im dont with the transmission game all together and i dont give up on things that i fail at first

cooch.
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Post by: Ether947 on January 20, 2007, 05:39:54 PM
Swapping a tranny is easier than repairing one. You will need some help though. I took apart my C-4, after rebuilding it, at least a dozen times before I got all back together.
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Post by: DVP on January 20, 2007, 05:52:50 PM
Quote from: Tbird232ci;124769
cooch.


what you mean is poor ass kid that is suspended from work and has no money or time left for error. if the it a "cooch" in you book then yes


all i want is to have my harsh riding, loud, Three Tone car back.
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Post by: Autocat on January 20, 2007, 06:22:35 PM
i can vouch for him, **** rebuilding an AUTOMATIC transmission.  i had to rebuild a jerico 3spd with spur gears.  did it in 6 hours with someone helping, and it was a bitch.  and auto transmission will be at least 65-75% more complicated and more easily screwed up.  i mean just one mistake putting it together and it wont work.  at least not work right, if not at all.  as for how much?  labor would prolly be above 500.  now this is for a mechanic that knows what he's doing.  a mechanic that doesnt have his hs diplomah and no certifications.. prolly 2-300 dollars, but it wont last long or will be tempermental.  and id agree that in the long run auto is faster, but 5spd is more fun!!!! now our autos being older and more simple compaired to transaxels and stuff like that.  so it should be very easily on the cheap side comparativly.  what i'd do is go to like 5 different places and just get an estimate.
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Post by: DVP on January 20, 2007, 06:32:05 PM
Quote from: Autocat;124783
i can vouch for him, **** rebuilding an AUTOMATIC transmission.  i had to rebuild a jerico 3spd with spur gears.  did it in 6 hours with someone helping, and it was a bitch.  and auto transmission will be at least 65-75% more complicated and more easily screwed up.  i mean just one mistake putting it together and it wont work.  at least not work right, if not at all.  as for how much?  labor would prolly be above 500.  now this is for a mechanic that knows what he's doing.  a mechanic that doesnt have his hs diplomah and no certifications.. prolly 2-300 dollars, but it wont last long or will be tempermental.  and id agree that in the long run auto is faster, but 5spd is more fun!!!! now our autos being older and more simple compaired to transaxels and stuff like that.  so it should be very easily on the cheap side comparativly.  what i'd do is go to like 5 different places and just get an estimate.


im not rebuilding it al im doing is dropping my AOD and putting an SC AOD in its place.
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Post by: stuntmannick on January 20, 2007, 06:47:45 PM
Dude, it's really not that hard.
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Post by: DVP on January 20, 2007, 06:54:23 PM
Quote from: stuntmannick;124793
Dude, it's really not that hard.


Some body break it down for me.


so i disconnect all sensors, linkage, starter
ok

now how do i get it down without a tranny jack?

i unbolt the crossmember mount and unbolt that.

un bolt it from the block( how many bolts how hard is it to reach them? )



the real question is doing this while it is still on Jackstands outside how long will it take plus 2 hours for bad luck and 2 1/2 for in experience
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Post by: Clayton on January 20, 2007, 07:02:30 PM
Quote from: cougar86_89;124795

now how do i get it down without a tranny jack?

i unbolt the crossmember mount and unbolt that.

un bolt it from the block( how many bolts how hard is it to reach them? )
 



a peice of wood... on the center of a normal floor jack.

yes.

i believe there are 6 bolts.. 4 you can get from the bottom 2 from the top.
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Post by: DVP on January 20, 2007, 07:13:08 PM
ok now for the problems of my car itself. im afraid that my motor and tranny sit too far back for it to be that easy. illl get pics of the cross member later but it is at the end if the slots. Why is this?


if i drop the tranny how hard is it to get back up? off the ground that is
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Post by: Clayton on January 20, 2007, 07:14:56 PM
hrm.. its not easy.. but if you have the car up high enough... you could push it under the car on the jack.. and jack it back up in place...
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Post by: DVP on January 20, 2007, 07:20:42 PM
dont real know if i want to try it. and i dont every have time to do it. i work all weekend and i go to school. by the time i get off school and start to work on it i only get an hour and a half or two a night and then i have to figure out where i was the next day.

i might try it if i cant get it done cheap enough.
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Post by: Chuck W on January 20, 2007, 07:33:27 PM
I put a piece of wood on the jack and jack the auto up by the pan.  Did the AOD in the old 83 5.0 we had that way.  NO issues. 
Got the old one out the same way.
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Post by: Clayton on January 20, 2007, 07:42:59 PM
thats how we change trannys around here... period... unless we need a rear main change too.. then the whole motor comes out

Dillon, its easier than you think... it should take an hour to get it out and in.. depending on how fast you work..
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Post by: DVP on January 20, 2007, 08:02:41 PM
ok well since you all know my extint of experience with transmissions and that i dont know a  thing about them this is my issue.

do i un bolt it from the bellhousing or from the block? since im pretty sure that the replacement wont have a bell on it or a converter then what do i do to switch this? what about the flex plates?

might be stupid question but i dont know
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Post by: Clayton on January 20, 2007, 08:16:41 PM
my aod is one peice..

so from the block.. i believe the SC aod's are the same...
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Post by: Chuck W on January 20, 2007, 08:20:18 PM
You inbolt the converter from the flexplate (through the access hole on the engine plate), remove the starter and then unbolt the bell from the engine.  Move whole lot rearward to allow the converter studs to clear the flex plate and drop down.

This is assuming you have all the other  out of the way (driveshaft, shift linkage, exhaust...)

The bell is integral to the trans.
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Post by: DVP on January 20, 2007, 08:25:25 PM
Thanks i didnt know.

what is the flex plate exactly?

i have a diagram that Eric sent me but i dont know what the numbers stand for on it. so i should be able to figure it out if you can tell me what its looks like/ location

thanks again
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Post by: Clayton on January 20, 2007, 08:34:06 PM
the flexplate is the thing that bolts to the crank on the motor.. that the starter intermingles with to turn the motor over..

and the torque converter is bolted to the flex plate...
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Post by: DVP on January 20, 2007, 08:43:54 PM
im going to find a labeled diagram so i can understand you guys advise better. but it seems easy enough.

yet so did the flipping of the shifter arm


how big of a mess is this going to make? the rain has cleaned up the other stuff pretty good right now. real doesnt matter to me but my Gramps is bitchin about everything i do now.
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Post by: Clayton on January 20, 2007, 08:47:15 PM
bout the same as before..

not alot else other than tranny fluid
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Post by: DVP on January 20, 2007, 08:48:14 PM
cool cool i will have alot more question if i attempt this later on. Thanks alot Chuck and Clayton
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Post by: Clayton on January 20, 2007, 08:51:46 PM
No prob man.
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Post by: Thunder Chicken on January 20, 2007, 10:18:30 PM
After reading all this I'm still wondering where the "Don't get ripped off" title comes from. I was expecting to read about an eBay deal gone bad or something...
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Post by: DVP on January 21, 2007, 07:54:12 PM
Quote from: Thunder Chicken;124861
After reading all this I'm still wondering where the "Don't get ripped off" title comes from. I was expecting to read about an eBay deal gone bad or something...


I DONT WANT TO GET RIPPED OFF! and a good title gets more attention which in return gets more ideas/ answers.
Title: Don't Get Ripped Off!
Post by: dominator on January 21, 2007, 08:57:06 PM
Dude,with your inexperience i don't know if i'd atempt it.
You may get it out, but getting it back in with the car on stands is no picnic and can be dangerous if you don't know what your doing.
Now i'm a liscensed tech and on a hoist with all my air tools/etc it takes me around 40-45 mins to remove it,then around  1- 1 1/2hours to get it back in so not sure where blackjack gets under 2 hours???
Anyways,if you really rely on the car i may just be inclined to pay someone a few hundred dollars to swap it out for ya,you don't want to get it out then not be able to reinstall it.
As they say removals the easy part,lining it up afterwords is kind of a pain in the a**.
Title: Don't Get Ripped Off!
Post by: DVP on January 23, 2007, 10:30:37 AM
Quote from: dominator;124983
Dude,with your inexperience i don't know if i'd atempt it.
You may get it out, but getting it back in with the car on stands is no picnic and can be dangerous if you don't know what your doing.
Now i'm a liscensed tech and on a hoist with all my air tools/etc it takes me around 40-45 mins to remove it,then around  1- 1 1/2hours to get it back in so not sure where blackjack gets under 2 hours???
Anyways,if you really rely on the car i may just be inclined to pay someone a few hundred dollars to swap it out for ya,you don't want to get it out then not be able to reinstall it.
As they say removals the easy part,lining it up afterwords is kind of a pain in the a**.


im going to see if my uncle will come up and help me. he knows what he is doing. It sounds easy but like you said inexperience can cause alot of problems
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Post by: JeremyB on January 23, 2007, 11:15:50 AM
Quote from: cougar86_89;124971
I DONT WANT TO GET RIPPED OFF! and a good title gets more attention which in return gets more ideas/ answers.

Misleading thread titles...that's kewl. :rolleyes:

Wrong subforum too.

Remember everyone, building webs...err, following rules is for suckas (http://"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHzdsFiBbFc")!
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Post by: DVP on January 23, 2007, 12:34:25 PM
Quote from: JeremyB;125253
Misleading thread titles...that's kewl. :rolleyes:

Wrong subforum too.

Remember everyone, building webs...err, following rules is for suckas (http://"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHzdsFiBbFc")!


how was it misleading in the fact that i dont want to get ripped off. and it started off as just a question for me to see what i was looking at on prices for a tranny swap. so it really wasn't in the wrong section. If some one feels the need to move this then do so but now it is a total different thread then what it was when i started it.
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Post by: JeremyB on January 23, 2007, 02:19:04 PM
Quote from: cougar86_89;125259
how was it misleading in the fact that i dont want to get ripped off.

The thread title is missing a few important words to get that point across. Presumably "I", "want", and "to".
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Post by: DVP on January 23, 2007, 05:07:51 PM
:headbang: :cougarsmily: :headbang: