General => User Rides => Topic started by: Thunder Chicken on January 10, 2007, 10:03:42 PM
Title: Needed cheering up, so I tore the 'Bird apart...
Post by: Thunder Chicken on January 10, 2007, 10:03:42 PM
As the title says, I needed something to occupy my mind and cheer me up after the loss of Olive, so I decided to finally, after months of procrastination, bring the T-Bird in and start some of the winter projects. Actually It wasn't really procrastination, it was more an issue of always having something else in the garage: First the 4-wheeler plows, then the Volvo for a trailer hitch install and front brakes, then my brother's F150 for 4WD repairs and front brakes, then his E250 for electrical repairs and new tires/wheels, then my Volvo again for a control arm and some engine mounts. Meanwhile my poor ol' T-Bird sat outside, neglected (we haven't had any snow, so at least it wasn't buried) while all the parts I have for it are taking up room in the garage. You'd be surprised how much room a TC bumper cover takes up. You'd also be surprised at how many times one can beat his shins on a TC axle without going ape shiznit on it. But I digress.
The TC axle swap is still on hold while waiting for a traction-lock rebuild kit I ordered (figure it'll be much easier to install while out of the car), so the body got the nod. The plan is to install a TC front bumper cover, hood, header panel, and left fender to replace the rusty one on the car.
Here's my baby just brought into the garage (the frost on it makes it look like the rear quarter is wrinkled, but it isn't). You can see the rust on the fender - the only rust on the body, it appeared after having to drive the car last winter when the Volvo imploded: (http://www.foxthundercats.com/images/88birdbodywork/togetherbefore.jpg)
Shortly after taking it into the garage it looked like this: (http://www.foxthundercats.com/images/88birdbodywork/apart.jpg)
There must have been a million little nuts & bolts holding that header panel, bumper cover and fender on: (http://www.foxthundercats.com/images/88birdbodywork/nuts.jpg)
You can see my big-ass tranny cooler: (http://www.foxthundercats.com/images/88birdbodywork/transcooler.jpg)
I then installed the fender I removed from the TC parts car. Before installing it I sanded & primed it, then sprayed the areas on the fender that I figure would be hard to paint once it was on the car. I also undercoated the hell out of the inside of it. I'll be taking the right fender off and undercoating it, too, which is why I didn't install the bumper cover or header panel yet: (http://www.foxthundercats.com/images/88birdbodywork/newfenderon.jpg)
This is why the fender was replaced. Amazing what one month's exposure to Nova Scotia road salt can do to an 18 year old car (I know, it's 19 now, but it was 18 when this rust started): (http://www.foxthundercats.com/images/88birdbodywork/fenderrust1.jpg) (http://www.foxthundercats.com/images/88birdbodywork/fenderrust2.jpg) (http://www.foxthundercats.com/images/88birdbodywork/fenderrust3.jpg)
It's nice to finally have started this project. I was getting really tired of looking at that rusty fender and tripping over the parts in the garage...
Title: Needed cheering up, so I tore the 'Bird apart...
Post by: CougarSE on January 10, 2007, 10:12:45 PM
Ah that makes me smile seeing your car in pieces like that :) Great start Carmen!
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Post by: Tbirdmaniac on January 10, 2007, 10:46:53 PM
Thunder Chick:grinno:
Your tranny support bracket and the tranny cooler is near exactly the same I have on My Econoline, the bracket look exactly the same, CURIOUS!!!.
So continue Your good work, You will have the beast :grinno:
Best regards,
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Post by: P71 on January 10, 2007, 11:20:52 PM
Hey Carm, From experience I can tell you it's much easier and faster to just take the fenders/header panel/front bumper off as 1 unit and then disassemble them on the floor. MUCH easier to reinstall as 1 unit too. You'd be suprised how light it is.
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Post by: jkirchman on January 11, 2007, 10:34:16 AM
I cannot believe that the fender rusted that bad after being exposed to road salt for just a month. I've driven my car in the road salt here in NC for five winters and there is no rust on it at all. It must just be the amount of salt or something.
Either way, I'm glad you had that salt-free fender to slap on there.
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Post by: vinnietbird on January 11, 2007, 10:48:06 AM
I'm glad there's no road salt here at all.I have to do a few of the same things to my projects car.I have to replace a slightly bent fender,install the Turbo Coupe hood,and find a header panel from a TC and install it.The one's i've found just cost too much.I'm patient,I'll find one cheap eventually.Heck,I traded a 3G alternator for my TC hood.Not a bad deal.Nice to see you getting knee deep into the project and making some good progress.keep us posted on the old girl.
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Post by: Thunder Chicken on January 11, 2007, 11:40:33 AM
Quote from: Aerobird Motorsports;123125
Hey Carm, From experience I can tell you it's much easier and faster to just take the fenders/header panel/front bumper off as 1 unit and then disassemble them on the floor. MUCH easier to reinstall as 1 unit too. You'd be suprised how light it is.
NOW he tells me! :beatyoass:
Quote from: jkirchman;123164
I cannot believe that the fender rusted that bad after being exposed to road salt for just a month. I've driven my car in the road salt here in NC for five winters and there is no rust on it at all. It must just be the amount of salt or something.
Either way, I'm glad you had that salt-free fender to slap on there.
It's more because Nova Scotia salt is among the most corrosive on earth - it has a certain chemical makeup that makes metal rust literally before your eyes. Toyota and Honda have both done durability testing here for years because their cars rust out so badly here (and in Newfoundland, which is just as bad). Think these cars rust bad? Try to find a late 80's puppiesanese car in one piece around here.
It's not just road salt, either - it's in the air 12 months of the year. After a high wind things are covered with a fine layer of sea salt. Lakes, rivers, and even the rain are all corrosive here. An example of how bad the air is can be seen by looking at the brake rotor and tie rod end in my pics - this car had not been driven for about three months, and those parts already look old. Same goes with that no-longer-shiny shiny 3G alternator - look at the corrosion forming on it from sitting around.
It might also have something to do with the fact that this car was never undercoated. The original owner knew he wouldn't drive it in winter and hated the mess undercoating makes, so he left it "clean". When I bought it I did some undercoating (removed door panels and did inside doors, removed trunk carpeting and did inside the trunk, and removed rear steats and plastic panels and did inside the rear quarters) but I didn't remove the front inner fenders and do them. Guess I should've. The fact that I drove it for that month, then let it sit without thoroughly cleaning the salt out of the wheelwells.
As for the mess undercoating makes - it still seeps out from beneath the doors and that seam between the quarter and rocker panels. I have to wipe it off frequently, because road grime sticks to it and turns it black. Better than having rust, though...
Funny thing about undercoating - the parts TC I got this fender from was undercoated religiously - it was an absolute mess to do anything to because you'd end up covered in the stuff, but the rear quarters and front frame rotted out - probably because they were never done (I'm sure the previous owner didn't remove the seats and plastic trim to get at those quarter panels). The front left fender, however, was mint, as are the doors. Lucky me, I found the only parts car in eastern Canada with a good fender :D
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Post by: DakotaEpic on January 11, 2007, 01:38:38 PM
All I can say is thank god for AZ.
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Post by: thunderjet302 on January 11, 2007, 04:38:56 PM
Quote from: Thunder Chicken;123174
NOW he tells me! :beatyoass:
It's more because Nova Scotia salt is among the most corrosive on earth - it has a certain chemical makeup that makes metal rust literally before your eyes. Toyota and Honda have both done durability testing here for years because their cars rust out so badly here (and in Newfoundland, which is just as bad). Think these cars rust bad? Try to find a late 80's puppiesanese car in one piece around here.
It's not just road salt, either - it's in the air 12 months of the year. After a high wind things are covered with a fine layer of sea salt. Lakes, rivers, and even the rain are all corrosive here. An example of how bad the air is can be seen by looking at the brake rotor and tie rod end in my pics - this car had not been driven for about three months, and those parts already look old. Same goes with that no-longer-shiny shiny 3G alternator - look at the corrosion forming on it from sitting around.
It might also have something to do with the fact that this car was never undercoated. The original owner knew he wouldn't drive it in winter and hated the mess undercoating makes, so he left it "clean". When I bought it I did some undercoating (removed door panels and did inside doors, removed trunk carpeting and did inside the trunk, and removed rear steats and plastic panels and did inside the rear quarters) but I didn't remove the front inner fenders and do them. Guess I should've. The fact that I drove it for that month, then let it sit without thoroughly cleaning the salt out of the wheelwells.
As for the mess undercoating makes - it still seeps out from beneath the doors and that seam between the quarter and rocker panels. I have to wipe it off frequently, because road grime sticks to it and turns it black. Better than having rust, though...
Funny thing about undercoating - the parts TC I got this fender from was undercoated religiously - it was an absolute mess to do anything to because you'd end up covered in the stuff, but the rear quarters and front frame rotted out - probably because they were never done (I'm sure the previous owner didn't remove the seats and plastic trim to get at those quarter panels). The front left fender, however, was mint, as are the doors. Lucky me, I found the only parts car in eastern Canada with a good fender :D
I thought Chicago had bad salt but that is just insane. It takes about 7-9 years for rust to get that bad here and they salt alot in the winter. Have fun with your swap. Wait till you put that 351W in there. That will be even more fun:grinno:
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Post by: 1BDBIRD on January 12, 2007, 08:39:58 PM
351w huh,351c is the coolest swap if you want to be diff. But 351w offer so much more speed goodies. But the 351c has the same to offer if you have $$$$$$$$$$$$$$
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Post by: daboss351 on January 12, 2007, 08:44:39 PM
i love the 351w my 66 stangs got one and im soo happy with the work my dad has had done to it, shoudl move that bird along quite nice
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Post by: Thunder Chicken on January 12, 2007, 09:56:48 PM
Quote from: 1BDBIRD;123428
351w huh,351c is the coolest swap if you want to be diff. But 351w offer so much more speed goodies. But the 351c has the same to offer if you have $$$$$$$$$$$$$$
I don't have $$$$$$$$$$$$ though. I do, however, have a 351W :D My brother gave me his '94 E350 after the floor rotted out. I've got the swap headers hanging on the wall (you can see them in the second pic). Slowly but surely I'll get the rest of the parts, but for now I'm concentrating on the body, interior and chassis
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Post by: DakotaEpic on January 13, 2007, 04:37:56 PM
Hey if you need them, I've got a set of the KB SFC's that Chuck was selling way back. I bought them, then never put them on the car, and decided not to give them to the kid when I sold it. Unfotunately I gave him the TC hood, 8.8, and Chucks motor mounts though. I'll send them out to ya for like $40plus shipping.
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Post by: Thunder Chicken on January 13, 2007, 06:21:45 PM
I've got a set of those too. I'll be installing them when I do the rear end swap (don't want to install them while the car is sitting on the frame on jackstands). Thanks for the offer tho...
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Post by: kingcars on January 13, 2007, 09:20:56 PM
Its a shame; my dad had bought a 66 Comet with a 351 Cleveland and a top loader 4 speed (bench seat car too, hell yeah). It even ran, but the body was just way too far gone to be reasonably resurrected. So now it sits in a local junk yard, although dad ended up selling stuff like the top loader (which went for MEGA bucks on ebay, that was cool). I dont know what he did with the engine; I think it was still in the car. Whatta shame.
But man, that salt must be insane. Here I am worrying to death about my Tbird seeing its first NC winter in who knows how long. Knock on wood, the weather has been warm all winter long so far. No winter precipitation yet either. I wouldn't mind if it stayed this way. Anyways, good luck! I bet its gonna be awesome when youre done.
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Post by: merccougar50 on January 13, 2007, 10:50:16 PM
Lookin' Really Good.
So where did you find the F350SD tow boss to steal that massive cooler off of? :D Just kidding, its not that big.
Enjoy the rest of your project. I'm sure it feel good to have one of your dream cars well in progress.
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Post by: daboss351 on January 13, 2007, 11:59:33 PM
i got an original toploader 4 spped its gonna go back in my mustang:hick:
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Post by: daboss351 on January 14, 2007, 12:00:44 AM
sry to hjack thread good progress, can't wait till its done
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Post by: cougrrr302 on January 14, 2007, 01:27:03 AM
You would be suprised at how many nuts and bolts hold alot of things on your cars. Half of the time I despise working in a Body Shop, but I do it everyday. Header panels/bumper covers are horribly mounted factory. Its not good when you are forced to put a cover on a Cadillac half-assed because the holes wont line up the second time.
Lookin good though.
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Post by: vinnietbird on February 01, 2007, 06:33:25 PM
Any updates?How's the car coming along?
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Post by: Thunder Chicken on February 01, 2007, 06:54:31 PM
The car is sitting in the yard with no bumper cover, header panel, or right fender on it :hick: I had to pull it out to make room for my mother's snowmobile that needs suspension work. I haven't stopped working on the car, though - I've been working on getting the severely oxidized paint off the TC hood and bumper cover, some small dents out of the TC hood, and the minor surface rust that was on the right fender (from where the cheap aftermarket mud flaps were attached) is fixed. I took this fender off so I could undercoat the inner fender/strut tower area as well as the inside surface of the fender and took advantage of it being off the car to fix that mudflap madness.
The good news is that the parts are all just about ready to go back on the car, and the snowmobile suspension parts will be going in tomorrow (they were on order and just arrived today). We're even supposed to get a little bit of snow tonight and tomorrow, so it'll be just in time. With the snowmobile out of there I'll be free to put the car back together. Once the fender, hood, header panel and bumper cover are on I'll have to go over the whole car to repair 20 years worth of parking lot dings, scratches, etc... Then it's time for the rear end transplant (my trac-loc rebuild kit purchased on eBay arrived as well).Hopefully, by the time the salt is off the pavement, the car will be ready for paint.
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Post by: vinnietbird on February 01, 2007, 07:07:12 PM
Good luck.I can't wait until the weather allows me to do some work on the Sport.I want it done by the end of March at the very latest.That's when our car club does a lot of cruises and shows.It's driving me crazy !!!
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Post by: daboss351 on February 01, 2007, 08:53:51 PM
i just noticed the rims on that are they painted like a gun metal? they look pretty sweet
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Post by: Thunder Chicken on February 02, 2007, 12:13:13 AM
No, the rims aren't gunmetal - they were stripped, sanded, the holes were painted black, and then the rims were clearcoated. Details here (http://"http://www.foxthundercats.com/tech/wheelrestoration.htm")
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Post by: cougrrr302 on February 02, 2007, 01:46:08 AM
I needed ALOT of cheering up today, So I kicked in the already broken windshield on my S10
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Post by: daboss351 on February 02, 2007, 11:20:14 AM
o thats pretty neat
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Post by: cougrrr302 on February 03, 2007, 02:47:57 AM
Yeah, Im gonna take some pics tomorow for ya Daboss. It was broken really bad, so I just kicked it.