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Title: This Could be it...again
Post by: DMC24guy on December 29, 2006, 12:33:52 PM
Well, seems like my ability to only hang onto Thunderbird's for 5 month intervals before selling them is coming into play again.

 I got my first 87 T-bird in August of 05' and sold it in Late January of 06.
(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e363/DMC24guy/bluetbird.jpg)

 I got my silver Turbo Coupe (the $520 wonder) in Late January and held it until mid-June.
(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e363/DMC24guy/000_1047.jpg)

And I've had the car seen in my signature since June now. However, as time has passed, I have come to a sad conclusion. I made a mistake. It's not easy to admit, but I never should have sold that Turbo Coupe. It was just that it was in the middle of June, and the Air didn't work...and I was sooooo hot. It drove me insane. And because of that stupid reason, I sold the car for a V8 LX. But once again, things seem to be aligning correctly, and opportunity  is knocking on my front door.

I've found a guy locally who owns a black, 87 Turbo who is willing to give up his car to me if I hand over my LX plus $700. Yes, I know I'm being overcharged, but I really want this car, and you just don't see them for sale around here often. Here are some pics:

(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e363/DMC24guy/blackturbo3.jpg)
(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e363/DMC24guy/blackturbo.jpg)
(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e363/DMC24guy/blackturbo2.jpg)
So, now it's just a waiting game. The guy was trying to sell it for $2400, but agreed to trade for my car and take $700. He told me he would hold it until the 18th of Jan. I get paid on the 5th and the 19th. Assuming I can spend less than $300 between the 5th and the 19th, I should have the $700 by then. If I am so lucky to get this car, and everything goes according to plan, I will NOT make the same mistake twice. If I have to, I'll record a tape to myself explaining why I shouldn't sell the car, and watch it if I ever get tempted to.
Title: This Could be it...again
Post by: turbo88 on December 29, 2006, 05:10:32 PM
Well i hope all works out for you and you score the TC, Don't sell this one though!

We need to keep all the TC's in the enthusiasts hands!
Not the general public.
Title: This Could be it...again
Post by: DMC24guy on December 29, 2006, 05:17:24 PM
Well, there are a few things I'm worried about. #1, the guy won't be patient enough to hold the car until I have the funds necessary, and he'll sell it. #2, He is patient, but freaks out when he sees the oxidized roof, and hears that god awful grinding noise the broken power-door locks make when engaged, and he says "no deal". and #3, the guy is able to look past all those minor annoyances, but wants to test drive the car first. It runs great, but when he stops at a light, it dies out on him.

So many awful scenarios running through my head right now. I want that car so bad...
Title: This Could be it...again
Post by: 88turbo on December 29, 2006, 05:33:28 PM
work hard on those little gremlins.....    they dont seem to be too hard of things to fix.  stalling sounds like a TPS problem.  and those door lock actuators are only about $50 or so at the part store.
Title: This Could be it...again
Post by: vinnietbird on December 29, 2006, 06:01:41 PM
I'll keep my fingers crossed for you.I know how it feels REALLY wanting "that" car.Ask him to take a deposit to hold it,and he'll know you're serious.....if he can be trusted,and get a reciept.Good luck.
Title: This Could be it...again
Post by: DMC24guy on December 29, 2006, 06:11:00 PM
Problem is, I'm strapped for cash right now, so I really don't think a $10 Down payment will make him trust me. I figure I'm going to get a $500 paycheck on the 5th. Then, from that point until the 19th I will have to spend as little as humanly possible. If all goes well, and nothing new breaks on my current car, I should have the $700.

Then I'll meet up with this guy, and cross my fingers all those little minor problems with the car don't change his mind.

(I asked him earlier if he would be willing to take half the cash when I got paid on the 5th, and then the other half on the 19th. But he wants all of it up front due to his having been screwed over on previous "payment" plans)


It might sound a little blasphemous, but every religious person on this board...pray for me and this deal to work out! Pray for my current car not to have any more problems between now and when I trade it, and Pray that I'll have the necessary funds by the 19th!
Title: This Could be it...again
Post by: 4thqtr on December 29, 2006, 06:32:25 PM
Yikes - your car plus $700 MORE? That 700 could go a long way for your current car. You could add all the TC goodies (unless you want the 2.3t engine) and still come out on top, plus you know you have a solid foundation to work with. Your description makes that guy sound pretty shady - I hope his car is solid and he's not trying to hide anything. Either way, good luck with the transaction!
Title: This Could be it...again
Post by: shame302 on December 29, 2006, 06:38:11 PM
so, is this one at least a stick this time? ;)
Title: This Could be it...again
Post by: *MAYHEM* on December 29, 2006, 06:39:23 PM
It's not always about what it's worth. Sometimes it's about what it's worth to YOU. If that's the car that will make you happy and you can afford the $700, take it and be happy.
Title: This Could be it...again
Post by: DMC24guy on December 29, 2006, 06:43:52 PM
I don't think the guy is shady, just sounds like he's had some bad experiences with people in the past. I wish I could have just traded the car straight, and then paid him later when I had the money, but looking at it from his perspective, there are some risks involved. If he gave me the title and the car, unless I signed some contract, I could have split and never paid him a cent, and he would be S.O.L.

(I've always wanted a Black Turbo Coupe. I've always thought they looked the coolest of all the Fox-Body cars, including XR-7's, and Sport Model T-Birds. If I tried to do to my car what I'm looking for in a Turbo, I would end up having to paint it black, buy a Turbo Header panel and hood and bumper, Paint the trim black, put on Turbo Coupe side moldings, buy Snowflakes, put in a Turbo Rear end, replace the interior...etc...etc. By the time I could get all that, I could just bought a Turbo and have it all there already. Am I paying too much for the car? Probably, but so far, I like enough of what I see that I really want it.)
Title: This Could be it...again
Post by: shame302 on December 29, 2006, 06:53:18 PM
by the looks of it your cars way better than that t coupe...its kind of ratty looking from the pics, but that could just be the pics. use your judgement. dont let "a new car" it cloud that up. it may not be the bigger better deal. make sure you take it out for a good hour long drive before you buy it.
 
 
 
ps, it is a stick, right....
Title: This Could be it...again
Post by: Red_LX on December 29, 2006, 06:55:39 PM
Ratty? What about that TC looks ratty? It looks pretty good to me. How many miles are on it?
Title: This Could be it...again
Post by: DMC24guy on December 29, 2006, 07:02:04 PM
The guy has told me the body is in great condition, but due to it's location (being in the desert here, in a junk yard lot) it's covered in dust and needs a good washing. I'm still waiting for interior pictures.

I've been told the Body has 225k on it, but he thinks that engine has less on it because it runs so good. He never told me what the odometer said, only that the body has 225k on it. I was also told the previous owners had just installed new injectors. (It has a restored/salvage title, but has no damage, so the guy thinks it might have been stolen from the previous owners)
Title: This Could be it...again
Post by: shame302 on December 29, 2006, 07:28:50 PM
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Ratty? What about that TC looks ratty? It looks pretty good to me. How many miles are on it?
i dunno, something about the pics...i get a bad feeling from this car.
 
besides. from the sound of it this whole deal is sight unseen. you realy need to go take a good look at the car in person and drive it. i wouldnt waste my time thinking about it untill after then. not trying to be a negitive ass but realy, you could be wasting your time. thats a ton of miles. i question how tight the car is as well as how rough the interior is.
Title: This Could be it...again
Post by: DMC24guy on December 29, 2006, 07:39:11 PM
Well soon enough I should know some more information. I asked for interior pictures in my last email to the guy and now am just waiting to hear back from him.

Like I said, it is covered in dust, and you know how it is with a black car. When they're dirty, they look like , when clean, they look great.
Title: This Could be it...again
Post by: shame302 on December 29, 2006, 07:43:56 PM
i certainly do...i hope it turns out to be a sweet car. slass is always half empty with me though....
 
i deffinetly like your car beter.
 
eh...so the t coupes a stick right....
Title: This Could be it...again
Post by: DMC24guy on December 29, 2006, 07:48:54 PM
225k is a lot, especially on a 4cyl engine. I'd hate to buy it, and have it blow up on me driving home. That would be a shame. It does have new injectors though...

I will test drive it before i commit to buying it though, I won't make the same mistake I did with this car.

(The lady I bought it from told me everything was peachy keen and the car was perfect. She didn't mention the grinding door locks, the oxidation on the roof, the bad fuel pump, the constant smell of Gasoline in the passenger compartment, the broken motor mount...etc...etc.)

Oh yeah, does anyone here have a carfax account I can use to check the Vin? I've got the vin, but due to my saving for the $700, $20 isn't something I'm willing to spend on records.
Title: This Could be it...again
Post by: Clayton on December 29, 2006, 08:06:28 PM
Guy, you'd be paying WAY TOO MUCH in my book for that t-coupe

Your car for about half the price could be looking better than that one. not to mention.. you know how this one drive already...

If you trade for that turbocoupe... you might wanna watch the headgaskets.. turbo and other asorted gremlins that can pop up in that car.

you could buy the header panel and front air dam, swap interiors, get a 8.8 and put a t-5 behind that 302 and have a decent semi powerful car, granted the TC gets a TINY bit better mileage, i dont think you'd have to worry

Normal t-coupes run oh say 2k for a nice one.. 5.8 fastcats is nice! looks all origional.. he only wants 2k

your car is well worth more than $1500... so you'd be getting jipped quite a deal of money

but then again... it IS your money and you will do what you please with it...
Title: This Could be it...again
Post by: MexCougar on December 29, 2006, 08:16:28 PM
Quote from: shame302;120677

 
eh...so the t coupes a stick right....



Please, it is a manual, right ?!?!?!?!


I like your current car better, if i were you, ill keep it.....
Title: This Could be it...again
Post by: Red_LX on December 29, 2006, 08:24:48 PM
Quote from: DMC24guy;120679
225k is a lot, especially on a 4cyl engine


Especially on a four cylinder? Shouldn't that read, even on a four cylinder? A four cylinder engine is much more likely to be in good shape at 200K+ than a V8 due to the lower angular loads on the cylinders of the inline engine vs. a V-type engine.

Anyway, I wouldn't pay $2500 for any Thunderbird with 225K on it, TC or otherwise. I only paid $1250 for mine, with half the miles.
Title: This Could be it...again
Post by: DMC24guy on December 29, 2006, 08:29:43 PM
Here's the thing, I remember what my Turbo Coupe was like, and yes, this car does feel more powerful, but it just wasn't what I expected it to be. Maybe if I had gotten the Sport model that I really wanted, with the Turbo Coupe interior and Quad-Shock setup I wouldn't be so hasty to get rid of it, but other than the power, I miss all of the Turbo Coupe stuff. The looks, the interior, the ride...it was all better.

Looking at it in retrospect, I never should have sold the Turbo. It was a mistake. And yes, I realize that a straight trade would be more fair than a trade plus giving the $700, but I really want the car. Yes, the mileage is scary, and I am worried about blowing up the engine driving it home, but If it happens, It happens.

I bought my current car for 2k. Did I pay too much? Probably, considering all the problems I later found out that it had. So basically I'm buying this Turbo Coupe for $2700, if you throw in what I think my car is worth. Is it excessive? Maybe, but I'll know what I see it in person. When I drive it, I'll know.

When I test drove the car I currently own, I Had already sold the Turbo and was only driving it as a formality. Even if I had realized how many problems it had, I wouldn't have been able to walk away from it because I needed a good ride, and it was a Thunderbird.

Soon enough though, everything will be sorted out.
Title: This Could be it...again
Post by: Red_LX on December 29, 2006, 08:49:52 PM
IMO, I think that guy will have a hard time selling that car for $2500, and if you have the patience you might stick it out and see if he'll agree to a straight trade.
Title: This Could be it...again
Post by: SLEEPER T-BIRD 87 on December 29, 2006, 09:22:04 PM
the salvage/rebuilt title scares me....
Title: This Could be it...again
Post by: Dansbirds on December 29, 2006, 10:32:51 PM
2500 and a salvage title, pass
Title: This Could be it...again
Post by: DMC24guy on December 29, 2006, 10:36:16 PM
No, it's a Restored/Salvage title, meaning it was inspected and is roadworthy. Apparently it's got 08 tags and smog is good until 08 as well.
Title: This Could be it...again
Post by: Clayton on December 29, 2006, 10:42:40 PM
salvage title in any way shape or form is bad bud. doesnt matter if its restored or not..

the guy is probably trying to get his money back after he "fixed" it
Title: This Could be it...again
Post by: DMC24guy on December 29, 2006, 10:44:53 PM
Well, from the pictures it looks pretty straight, and he's told me it's got no damage. He thought it might have been stolen from the previous owners. It's ok, I'll get out of that area of town quickly to avoid being jumped.
Title: This Could be it...again
Post by: Thunder Chicken on December 30, 2006, 12:36:10 AM
Look at the strut towers and front subframe, before you buy that car. As several people here can tell you (cough*Ether947*cough), they're pr0ne to rust there, and the rust us usually fatal. It may just be the pics, but the whole lower half of the left side of that car looks rusty. You'll also want to look at the door bottoms, rocker panels and rear frame rails (and the gas tank strap anchor points).

I'm gonna have to join the "your car looks better" camp based only on those pics, but if you want a TC only you can decide what one's worth. Just be sure to check those strut towers and other rust-pr0ne places.
Title: This Could be it...again
Post by: shame302 on December 30, 2006, 01:17:53 AM
plus like stated before, you can get all the turbo coupe goodies for your car cheep as well. header pannel, bumper cover and hood should be pretty easy to find in good shape out that way. new sport springs, swaybars and some decent shocks along with some polyurathane would realy make what you ave alot better. you can put a T5 conversion behind the 302 pretty chep. makes a huge differance with some gears. turbo coupe interior stuff is pretty easy to locate as well.
 
id rather build it up "my" way. makes you feel better about the car anyway. its like all the  i get about the stang...its not a real cobra blah blah blah....personally, i think a swap car is cooler in my book...
 
anyway. the original point i was trying to make is dont get your heart set on this thing before youve even seen it. its the wrong atitude to have going into a deal. there are plenty of good deals out there, like fastcats turbo coupe.
 
im not trying to dicourage you on this, just would rather see you look at it a little more objectively. ive made the wrong decision before cause i really wanted something. hindsight is 20/20
Title: This Could be it...again
Post by: MasterBlaster on December 30, 2006, 09:49:31 AM
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I hope his car is solid and he's not trying to hide anything.
Nope, not hiding... it's clear from the pictures that the front edge of the hood doesn't quite match the contours of the header, and the upper rear of the driver's door frame is bent in a bit. Or maybe it's just the angle of the sun making weird shadows?
Title: This Could be it...again
Post by: DMC24guy on December 30, 2006, 07:21:04 PM
C'mon ,tis is the season! Doesn't anyone have a Carfax account you can use to check the vin number for me?
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Post by: jcassity on December 30, 2006, 07:57:20 PM
whats your vin,,
btw,, i have a carfax account but if anyone wants theirs checked,, they have to give me the vin and a ,,,,,umm,,a donation perse'.
Title: This Could be it...again
Post by: DMC24guy on December 30, 2006, 09:15:20 PM
1FABP64W8HH197380.....

I'll buy you a drink next time I visit West Virginia....

Thanks!
Title: This Could be it...again
Post by: jcassity on December 31, 2006, 03:24:26 PM
1987 FORD THUNDERBIRD
1FABP64W8HH197380
COUPE
2.3L L4 FI / REAR WHEEL DRIVE

Date: Mileage: Source: Comments:
07/13/1987      Washington
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Federal Way, WA
Title #8732201238    Title or registration issued 

05/12/1997    140,000    Washington
Inspection Station
Federal Way, WA    Passed emissions inspection 
03/29/1999    164,000    Washington
Inspection Station
Federal Way, WA    Failed emissions inspection
 
03/29/1999      Washington
Inspection Station
Tacoma, WA    Failed emissions inspection
 
04/14/1999    154,000    Washington
Inspection Station
Tacoma, WA    Passed emissions inspection

INCONSISTENT ODOMETER READING
CARFAX AdvisorTM
CARFAX buttstuffyzed this mileage history and is uncertain whether this reading represents a rollback or a clerical error. Please verify the mileage with your dealer or a qualified mechanic.
 
04/14/1999      Washington
Inspection Station
Federal Way, WA    Passed emissions inspection
 
05/03/2001      Washington
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Federal Way, WA
Title #8732201238    Title or registration issued
 
04/08/2003    192,774    Washington
Inspection Station
Tacoma, WA    Failed emissions inspection
 
04/14/2003    192,941    Washington
Inspection Station
Tacoma, WA    Passed emissions inspection
 
01/20/2004    201,000    Arizona
Inspection Station    Passed emissions inspection
 
01/20/2004    201,122    Arizona
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Gilbert, AZ
Title #456M004020039    Title or registration issued
 
01/19/2006      Arizona
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Maricopa, AZ
Title #456M004020039    Title or registration issued
 
06/13/2006    223,371    Arizona
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Maricopa, AZ
Title #M026006164048    New owner reported
SALVAGE TITLE/CERTIFICATE ISSUED
REBUILT TITLE ISSUED
 
07/27/2006    224,445    Arizona
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Mesa, AZ
Title #AK68006208009    SALVAGE TITLE/CERTIFICATE ISSUED
EXCEEDS MECHANICAL LIMITS TITLE ISSUED
REBUILT TITLE ISSUED
CARFAX AdvisorTM
An EML title is issued when the owner discloses an odometer rollover to a DMV. Rollovers occur on vehicles with 5-digit odometers that go from 99,999 to 00,000 every 100,000 miles.
Mileage reported after this reading is potentially unreliable.
 
12/06/2006    227,004    Auto Auction    Sold at auction
in Desert Southwest Region
Listed as
a dealer vehicle
 
12/31/2006  CARFAX AdvisorTM Be sure to buy this vehicle from a licensed dealer.

A curbstoner is a person who purchases vehicles at volumes that require a dealer license and then poses as a private seller to sell to unsuspecting buyers for a large profit. Curbstoning is illegal in most States.
Title: This Could be it...again
Post by: kingcars on December 31, 2006, 06:07:08 PM
Sounds to me like your LX just has a few odds and ends that need to be fixed and nothing major.  I couldn't justify trading in a shiny LX + $700 for a black, somewhat worn-lookin Turbo Coupe just for the sake of having a Turbo Coupe.  Thats just me, though.  There are so many deals out there, just be patient.  The two worst reasons to buy something:  Haste and bias.  Dont be hasty.  ;)
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Post by: Red_LX on December 31, 2006, 07:17:51 PM
That things had a new title issued 4 times in the past 5 years? seems kinda fishy.
Title: This Could be it...again
Post by: Beau on December 31, 2006, 07:25:04 PM
I'd let it slip by as well...there's better ones cheaper, with no title issues..
Title: This Could be it...again
Post by: jcassity on December 31, 2006, 09:41:54 PM
id hate to pass it up,, the waiting game sux especially for a special ride such as the TC.  I want one some day ,, but my first desire is a 20th anny burgandy inside and out.

im 50/50 on getting it.  dont pay attention to the carfax ,, these cars shift owners,, people pull em out of the jy and fix em up.  Yours looks like its just been a foster child for many years.
Title: This Could be it...again
Post by: DMC24guy on December 31, 2006, 09:51:47 PM
That's the one thing making me want the car the most...the waiting factor to find another one. I never find Turbo's for sale in town, rarely in phoenix, and when I do find them, they are out of my price range. The fact this guy would be willing to take my car and $700 for the Turbo is do-able for me, and that's why I'm leaning towards taking it.

The mileage scares me the most about the car. I'd hate to buy the car, and halfway to Tucson, the engine blows a bearing or something like that. The car might be fine, but other than a compression test, I really can't tell how good of shape the engine is in. A test drive would help, but like I said, if something internally is about to go, there's no way I would know. If it has 150k, I'd be all over it, but 225k? It's a bit much.

I waiting for the guy to send me interior pictures. At that point, I'll make a decision.
Title: This Could be it...again
Post by: Red_LX on December 31, 2006, 10:00:47 PM
I doubt the engine would blow up, but while test driving it, it would be a good idea to pull the intake hose off the turbo and check for play in the turbo, and oil in the turbo inlet...also look for oil residue around the oil fill cap, this will indicate blowby (although I think that's pretty common in the higher mileage 2.3s)

As far as the mileage goes, I wouldn't worry too much about anything internal going out...it's more likely to end up with a grenaded turbo or just having excessive blowby/bad valve guides/that sort of thing.
Title: This Could be it...again
Post by: DMC24guy on December 31, 2006, 10:29:04 PM
Well, it all depends now on whether or not the guy gets back to me. I want to see the interior. Plus, I still don't know if he's read the message I sent him listing all the little problems I have with my car. Either he hasn't, or he has and was scared off from the deal.
Title: This Could be it...again
Post by: jcassity on January 01, 2007, 12:11:58 AM
your welcome
Title: This Could be it...again
Post by: DMC24guy on January 01, 2007, 08:38:07 AM
Geeze, I'm sorry! Thankyou very much!
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Post by: jcassity on January 01, 2007, 08:56:03 AM
:grinno: no, you already did your part earlier,, i was the one who forgot to say your welcome.
Title: This Could be it...again
Post by: 5.0willgo on January 01, 2007, 10:29:09 AM
Have you even looked at the car yet?
Please look at it in person before you make your final decision. Pictures hide so so much. Seeing how fogged the pictures you posted in the beginning are, I would't trust it based soley on them.

The carfax, I wouldn't let it worry me too much. For all you know it could have been retitled to different members of the same family hence the multiple listed recent owners. As far as mileage is concerned, meh. I don't think it really matters in these cars or almost any car now a days. It all depends on how well it was taken car of. Example, my '88 was in excellent shape when I got it with 172K on it but the owner took care of it. It was even in an accident at one point that the carfax didn't reveal but the car was repaired fine. The '86 I got only has 110K and if it wasn't for the suspension work, rebuilt motor and new trans, the car would be junk. The interior is nearly shot (stained, plastic parts all busted, headliner destroyed) and the body is horrible in spots (cracked and warped rear bumper and smashed drivers fender not to mention the py re-paint).

Just some stuff to think about.
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Post by: DMC24guy on January 01, 2007, 08:10:36 PM
Ok, the interior looks pretty good. Apparently there is a rip on the drivers side seat, so he decided to cover both seats to prevent any more ripping. I have to say, unless there is something mechanically wrong, I'm probably going to get this car.

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Title: This Could be it...again
Post by: Clayton on January 01, 2007, 08:35:54 PM
i see somthing thats gonna make you very unhappy.. the lack of a stick,... autos are dogs.
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Post by: DMC24guy on January 01, 2007, 08:43:25 PM
Do'h, I blew it. I was actually planning on swapping in A t-5, so it's ok.
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Post by: DVP on January 01, 2007, 09:59:25 PM
hel yeah you will most likly get the car because he will make a fat profit on you.

how much did he say he paid?
i think he threw down 1200 and did little work here and there.

Your getting screwed! you need to bargain
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Post by: DMC24guy on January 01, 2007, 10:21:48 PM
If I bargain, I won't get the car. I just have that feeling. I've never been good at that kind of stuff. I mean, what can I say?

"Gee sir, I've come to the conclusion that my current car is worth a lot more than this turbo, so I'm going to need you to go ahead and simply take my car for a straight trade. There are about 20 other people that can be found on an internet message board that concur with my decision. Now please, hand over the keys."

The Guy didn't say how much he paid for it either. And I doubt he would give me an honest figure if I asked. He was trying to sell it for $2500. I sold my Turbo in june for $2k and bought my LX for the same price.
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Post by: DMC24guy on January 02, 2007, 11:18:57 PM
Well, I'm going to go up to Phoenix tomorrow to test drive the car. It will give the guy an opportunity to check out my car, and will allow me to determine whether or not I should go forward with the deal.

Any pre-test drive suggestions? What I should look for? If all goes according to plan, I'll get the guy to let my drive the car for a bit, find a nice secluded area, perhaps a local ghetto, and park it and check out the mechanics.
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Post by: kingcars on January 03, 2007, 02:26:35 AM
Quote from: DMC24guy;121177
He was trying to sell it for $2500. I sold my Turbo in june for $2k and bought my LX for the same price.



But[/i] your old Turbo and current LX seem[ed] to be in much better shape.  Even though you may want the car badly, I still suggest waiting for even a reasonable deal to come along.  These cars simply dont sell for $2,500 in any less than great condition.  From what I'm seeing, that car isn't in great condition.  Solid, but not great.  The car you see in my sig was $1500, and is in very good condition.  I know it's hard to turn down, but waiting a little while longer will turn out the best in the long run; a lot like how back in April I wanted to upgrade my PC, but instead I decided to work on my car and wait a few months for a new PC.  The PC I ended up building is WAAAAAY better than what I would've gotten had I not waited.  The wait was worth it.  But in the end, its your money, so do what you want.  All I can do is try to offer some advice.
Title: This Could be it...again
Post by: DMC24guy on January 03, 2007, 07:42:37 PM
Well, I think I'm going to get it. Barring some unforeseen problem, Right around the 19th of this month I should be driving the Black Turbo Coupe. 

I met the guy who owns the car today and was allowed to test drive it. First off, it's a lot better looking in person than it is in those few pictures I've shown all of you. It's straight and has no real body damage. No rust visible.

The interior is very nice and clean.

When I turned on the car it was very, very loud. I looked under the vehicle and noticed that shortly after the Catalytic converter the Exhaust pipe ends. No ler. Yet, the car does have Arizona tags until 08, so somehow the car did pass emissions, although I always thought you were required to have a ler here in Arizona?

Under the hood everything looked nice and clean. I checked around the turbo and saw no fluids. The Turbo unit looked different though from the one on my old Silver Turbo Coupe. It was metallic and might have been an aftermarket one. The owner told me he thought it was new, but was only basing that off of it's appearance.

The car drove just fine. Just like my Silver Turbo did. Doesn't have the torque my V8 has, but once the Turbo Kicked in, everything was good.

The only problems were the rear courtesy lights were staying on while driving, and when we got back to the guy's place after driving around, the key got stuck in the ignition and whilst attempting to pull it out, it broke in two. Leaving a part on the key in the ignition itself. However, the guy was mechanically inclined, and told me not to worry about it and it would be fixed by the time I can get the car.

So, now it's just a waiting game to get the $600.
Title: This Could be it...again
Post by: ZondaC12 on January 03, 2007, 07:50:01 PM
well whatever you do hope you like it! great to hear that it is really clean and the body/paint is good. ill tell ya, with your old sig (not that your new one isnt good) i never got tired of seeing you post something. the color and the condition just made it look great. these cars are just that much better when theyre in good shape.
Title: This Could be it...again
Post by: DMC24guy on January 03, 2007, 08:42:37 PM
Do you mean the picture I'm using now in my signature?
Title: This Could be it...again
Post by: turbo83coupe on January 03, 2007, 09:06:57 PM
This is all my own opinion... But, I would pass on the deal. If I were to pay $2500 for a TurboCoupe, it definatly woudl not have over 200K (not that big of a deal, but I jsut wouldnt pay that much for soemthign with that many miles...), and it defiantly woudl not have an automatic (this is obviously personal perferance, but...) I paid lass than half of that price formy black 88TC and it had 110K, 5spd, allot of character (by character I mean previous owner addons such as a really nicely installed heads up display with working compass and thermometer, dash upgrades, decent stereo eqipemnts and so on...). It was real clean and being that it was a Florida car, I think that influernced the peeling of clear coat... All of that said, I would personally hold off on the current deal and look for a better priced TurboCoupe. Watch Ebay (tons of sweet TC's CONSTANTLY goign through there for excellent prices), local papers and so forth... That is all my personal opinion though, so take it or leave it.
  If you do decide to buy it, DEFINATLY check out the frame rails in the front!!! It has already been stated before, but I stress it again!! It hasbeatmore than one good person on what they thought was a good deal. It looks like it has been out west the whole time, so there shoudlnt be any problems??? but jsut be safe about it!!! HTH

Frank M.
Title: This Could be it...again
Post by: DMC24guy on January 03, 2007, 10:08:10 PM
Thanks for all the positive reinforcement guys!

Seriously though, I did look under the car and saw no rust.  Look, I know it's hard to justify buying this car when I tell people I got my previous Turbo for only $500, but I like it. I saw it in person today and other than the high mileage, and auto trans (which DOESN'T bother me), it was in great shape. It looked much better in person than those pictures show. The A/C was ICE COLD.

Trust me on this one guys, just wait till I get my hands on it and take some pictures with my quality digital cam, you'll see what I'm talking about.;)
Title: This Could be it...again
Post by: kingcars on January 04, 2007, 12:12:32 AM
Although I also wonder why you didnt just fix the AC in your old TC?

I hope the car turns out well for ya, although I'm still a nay-sayer due to the price, mileage, and that its an auto.  But oh well, enjoy it!
Title: This Could be it...again
Post by: DMC24guy on January 04, 2007, 10:30:13 AM
At the time (Late june) there were a number of factors in why I sold my Turbo Coupe. Looking at it in retrospect, I realize I made a mistake in selling it.

The Air system wasn't blowing cold enough for me. Perhaps this was because I used a Wal-Mart R-134 conversion kit on it. But, after evacuating the system several times and trying different things in it (Freeze-12, Super Extreme R-134, etc) and no real noticeable difference in temperature, I took the car into an Air-Conditioning Shop. I told them I just wanted the system emptied and filled with R-12. However I washiznit with "Well, because you put so many things in the A/C system, were going to have to evaluate it, check what gases are in there, etc..." The price (at the time) seemed outrageous, so I gave up.

Then there was the Power issue with the automatic. By late June, I had convinced myself that if I bought a V8 Thunderbird, I would have way more horsepower to work with, and torque too. (It feels like my v8 is more powerful than the turbo was...) So, that was another factor.

Then there was the transmission. The guy who "Fixed" it for me, "Honest George", told me if it ever started acting up within a year, take it back to him to fix it. Well, towards the end of my owner ship of that car, every once in a while I would shift from park into drive, but it wouldn't catch right away. Instead I would have to rev the engine a few times before it finally caught gear. That made me real nervous as I didn't want to go through the same experience I had before with "Honest George" and his crack team of Transmission Specialists. So, I decided to ditch the car and throw all of those problems onto someone else.

(The rear bumper was also pretty rough, with paint missing in places. Looking at it now, I could have easily sanded it myself and painted it as well.)
Title: This Could be it...again
Post by: Red_LX on January 04, 2007, 11:12:09 AM
I'm glad the auto doesn't bug you, I just hope it doesn't grenade on you. 2.3 A4LD's are notorious for that, especially high mileage ones.
Title: This Could be it...again
Post by: ZondaC12 on January 04, 2007, 11:12:33 AM
YEAH that pic!!! just looks really good from that angle.
 
if its worth it to you and its in the shape you say it is, and no clunking/creaking/whatever from the suspension or play in the steering, everything's solid, go for it. if you MUST HAVE a turbocoupe and nothing else, then it just might be worh it. economics and book value and stuff like that get thrown out the window when emotions and sentimental value and the like get thrown into the equation.
Title: This Could be it...again
Post by: DMC24guy on January 04, 2007, 12:44:10 PM
Yeah, I've always wanted a Black Turbo coupe from the get-go. I always thought they looked soooooooooo cool. And once the windows are tinted as dark as the law allows....it's a thing of beauty. My own little secret service car! And the A/C was ICE COLD, one of the problems I had with my old Turbo.

Why don't you have any more pictures of your 20th Anniversary car? Or at least a cardomain for it? It looks nice, but that can't be the only picture you have of it!?
Title: This Could be it...again
Post by: DakotaEpic on January 04, 2007, 02:00:13 PM
This is the one that was sitting one Craigslist forever that needed a new alt?  I was looking at that, as kind of a little project car.  It just seemed kinda shady though.  But hell if you test drove it and everything was fine, then that should be a good sign.  The interior does look pretty nice.
Title: This Could be it...again
Post by: DMC24guy on January 04, 2007, 02:53:44 PM
Yep, it drove just like I remember my old Silver Turbo coupe did. Much smoother ride than my current LX has, that's for sure.

I figure I'll be getting it shortly after the 19th. I feel like a kid counting down the days until Christmas, except Christmas might not come unless my paycheck is big enough....but it should be though so no worries...yet.