I need the two fuel line clips that connect the hard lines to the flex lines that go to the engine on my 88 TC. One looks like a c-clip and the other, I believe, is circular in shape....?
-should be the white plastic "circle clips" that go down into the plastic connector on the flex lines i believe. the ones at the left front wheel. N802710-S190 & N802441-S are your ford part #s...or N806191-S1901 for the hairpin clips.....
ok, i'll check with ford.... I know every other automotive place I tried had everything but the circle clips... thanks
Ok, well I drove all over San Diego county for 2 days being sent between 4 different Ford dealers only to find both of these parts (ecluding the hairpin cause of course I didn't nee that) were wrong. Both of them were the same diameter as the fuel line fitting (when they need to fit inside of it!).
So I'm stuck again... anyone else have any ideas or a parts car they can get this retaining clip off of for me? The fuel line fitting this piece goes into has an inner diameter of about 1/2" so the clip should have a similar OUTER diameter....
Use high pressure fuel line and high pressure hyd hose clamps instead, your life will be so much easier.
No thanks... Not to sound rude, but I stopped defaulting to the "it's easy and will work" the same day I stopped doing electrical connections by "twisting and taping" and stopped hanging my 'custom' exhaust with bailing wire. There is a reason auto manufactures stopped using clamps when they went to electric pumps and efi systems and there is a reason performance fuel lines use threaded fittings...
I have a spare fuel rail, I'll check it out and see if I can remove the clips for you. I'll get back with you tomorrow.
thanks 88turbo... I really appreciate it! You can PM me so we can discuss it further if you find you have it!
Are you talking about the clips that are on the lines where the hardlines from the frame connect to the rubber hoses that run to the engine?
If so, the clip on the one line is the same as the kind of clip that is on the fuel filter, you can buy spares of those at the parts store (they're in the "help!" section at advance), the other one I thought was in the line itself and didn't come out.
I ,on the other hand, don't really care about being rude. Of the fuel line connections that you speak of, one of the clips is easily found in any local auto parts store, and are often included in the package when you by a new fuel filter, and also in the "help" packages in parts stores. The other connection for the fuel line is no longer available from ford, the way it was. What is offered today is replacement parts for ford plastic fuel lines which are heat shrunk to fuel lines, which are different than the older ones. These things I know because I just spent two weeks searching for the same fittings for the same fuel lines. A guy on the turboford site was looking for the lines, I had a set and told him that if he donated $10 to the site, that I would send him the lines. He made the donation and when I went to ship the lines, I found out that the same clip that you're looking for now were missing from the lines I had promised the guy. For two weeks, I called everywhere looking for the fittings and they are not available. The older pieces that I or you need were made of thin plastic with an o-ring on it and tended to rust in place on the metal line and ripped out when forced. The newer replacement fittings for the newer lines don't fit the older lines. The high pressure fuel line and the high pressure hyd. hose clamps are rated for 150psi. The hose and clamps can be found in any hydraulic shop or truck service shop......... You can do as you please.
PS........Remember this line below that you posted to me...............
There is a reason auto manufactures stopped using clamps when they went to electric pumps and efi systems and there is a reason performance fuel lines use threaded fittings...........
The fuel lines that you're trying to replace are on a fuel system without a single threaded fitting on it.....Anything else you got to say?????????
I know that the system doesn't have any threaded fittings. I didn't say that it did. I said aftermarket systems for sale use them. I'm just saying, I'd either go stock, with a factory type retaining clip that locks fittings into place or better (threaded) but I don't want to start changing everything around when I just need one piece. I know that high pressure clamps are plenty strong, but I just choose to stick with what Ford used or better (and I personally feel that high pressure clamps do not fit into the better category - if they did, Ford would have made things cheaper/easier and probably used them as well).
As for parts stores, I appreciate the suggestion but I've actually looked everywhere. Hairpin style clips are plentiful, but I haven't found the circular retaining clips anywhere. Which is why I am searching for used pieces.
If in the future, You post a question on an open board, and someone offers another way of getting the problem solved other then the answer you're looking for. The correct way to answer would be to say thanks, but no thanks, or thanks anyway, or say nothing at all. Your condesending attitude is rude and offensive. These forums are here to help people, not for ignorant comments like yours. You wouldn't respond to someone like that if you were standing face to face with you, so what makes you think it is acceptable here. You don't even have a profile listed, what's up with that?
Hey Bob, I really think you misunderstood my response. This is part of the reason I REALLY dislike online correspondence sometimes cause no tone can be conveyed. Which was the entire reason I sad "not to be rude" cause I was concerned that some people would take it that way. But in fact, it was something I'd say face to face. I probably worded it wrong, I don't know - I didn't reread it yet, but really, how I meant it to come off was "this is my opinion and I'm sharing it with you cause maybe you hadn't thought of it this way and would like to consider it." It was nothing personal at all and I'm sorry if it come off that way. I just like sharing this stuff cause there are some people who don't know as much about this stuff as you do and might just be throwing lines and clamps together in an unsafe manner. I was only hoping that if that was the case (being that I didn't know your background before replying) that maybe you or whoever would say "woah, yeah, that's true... maybe I should rethink what I've done for my own safety."
But anyway, I think that's enough said. I'm totally not the kind to come down on anyone in a condesending manner nor do I feel my ways or opinions are better than anyone elses. I just like to share. Maybe I'll reconsider next time but I hope that clears it up. The last thing I want is a bad reputation or bad blood with anyone on here cause I really like talking to everyone and helping out when I can!
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you must be working at a different place than i was thinking. i just used both of them reattaching my line, no problem.......
Yeah, I don't know. It's weird. But I got them straight from Ford. They looked right but were too big... same size as the fitting, so they'd never fit inside. Just out of curiousity, where'd you get the numbers from?
Edit: I misread your post, but to clarify, I am working up by the drivers side wheel, where the hardlines end and the flexlines attach to go up to the fuel rail... make sense?
Booksix,
I'm not here to give you a hard time, But, this is why I suggested that you use the high pressure line and clamps, just for this exact reason. The pieces you got from ford are inserts to the newer lines and do not match up to the older lines. Red LX told you in his posting and I told you in my reply posting to you. that they're not made to come out and if you do get them out, they've been ripped out and can't be used again. The connection for the fuel line is no longer available from ford, the way it was. What is offered today is replacement parts for ford plastic fuel lines which are heat shrunk to fuel lines, which are different than the older ones. They[ford] want you to cut the fuel line, insert a metal spur that will hold the line and new fitting together and heat shrink together. This would be all well and good if the new fitting worked, but they don't fit the older metal lines well and tend to leak. And now just to show you that you realize that your first responce to me was totally out of place, I'm gonna do you 1 better. You need the two flexible lines that connect the metal fuel lines to the fuel rail, and you need them not to leak, right? I'll send you the lines for free, just send what I pay in postage to the turboford site as a donation. You don't even need to send it in my name, send it in your own. The owner's name is paul, he's also an administrator, so if you just send it to the board, he'll get it. You can also ask him about me and the stuff I give for donations, or check the vendors feedback for my name. you can post your answer here or you can private message me with a name and address where you want them sent. I come to this site to see whats going on, my primary site is the turboford site, I'm on there daily. bob5326
Hmm, I'm confused. So the circular clips can't be removed and reused? Mine somehow came out and actually kind for went flying (maybe that was it breaking?), so I don't even know it's condition. Anyway, as for the pieces from Ford being newer inserts for newer lines; I thought shorangerbird was giving me an original Ford replacement part # for a part I could just pop in and be good.
As for your offer, I REALLY appreciate it, but this is a 5.0 swap I did about 7 years ago that I've been doing some more work on so your lines won't actually work. I took the 4 barb fittings for both sides of the lines to Ford and had them make me new, longer flexlines. Not sure now how I got them apart AND reused this retaining clip last time, but I did. So now my question, is there a different barb fitting with a simpler retaining clip that I can have put on my flexline that will work without modifying this particular hardline?
And one last thing, I had a profile before but something got messed up and I had to start over...just never got to it. But now that you bring it up, I'll try to do that. In the meantime, my name is Brett if you prefer that over booksix...
It's not so much that the circular clips can't be removed and re-used as it is the the piece inside the flex that the metal fuel line goes into that rusts to the metal line and becomes destroyed when you try to remove the metal line. The original replacement ford part numbers that you got from Shorangerbird are probabley good numbers, the problem is that they changed the part. Brett, I can't tell you how much this is iritating me. This is why I use high pressure fuel lines and clamps. I'm sick of talking about it, you can do anything you want. I have a 255 fuel pump and high pressure lines and clamps and have never lost a drop of fuel. If you want the the flex lines that connect to the fuel rail, fine, send me an address by pm and I'll send them. good luck bob5326
PS.....Did I mention how much I hate typing......
Hahaha, sorry Bob. I don't mean to irritate you at all. I think I was just kind of raised that certain things aren't right (even though they can be) and I'm kinda stubborn about it - just like my dad, ha! But if you're running a 255 and not having problems then perhaps I'll give it a try. Sorry again for all the excitement, but I'd rather have gone through all that if it meant I learned you know what your talking about rather than just doing it and risking that you were someone that didn't... Idk, long story short, I believe you and will give it a try if I don't get one in a day or two. Thanks again...
I'll throw the whole thing your way for the cost of shipping. Pm me your info and I'll get it boxed and ready to go.