Title: sigh, T-bird 350 :(
Post by: 84 Fila on December 11, 2006, 07:48:30 PM
:nkhk: Not on our watch
Title: sigh, T-bird 350 :(
Post by: 86elan on December 11, 2006, 08:15:45 PM
I saw this car a while back for sale. Think it may have been ebay. personally I think it's stupid. :beatyoass: At least it has a ford rear end
Title: sigh, T-bird 350 :(
Post by: *MAYHEM* on December 11, 2006, 08:53:37 PM
Ickey-poo.
And monochrome red doesn't work on that car. Just looks cheap with nothing to break up the color. Life is in the contrast, man.
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Post by: 5.0willgo on December 11, 2006, 08:59:26 PM
Quote from: *MAYHEM*;118007
Ickey-poo.
And monochrome red doesn't work on that car. Just looks cheap with nothing to break up the color. Life is in the contrast, man.
Unfortunately, I'm sure people have said the same about our monochrome white XR-7s :(
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Post by: ZondaC12 on December 11, 2006, 09:20:49 PM
ehhhhh....i dunno. i think is different for every car. i think your white cat looks great! just not that one there, and not that red. now there are people on here with white four eyed birds and just the black/grey molding changes everything. although even without it i think all white would look good just not that red.
and not those wheels!!! :pbb: the horror...
at least its not rotting in the syard right?
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Post by: Tbird232ci on December 11, 2006, 09:21:31 PM
Its a hell of alot easier to build a small block chevy than it is a ford. End of story
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Post by: Dogcharmer on December 11, 2006, 09:31:54 PM
Quote from: Tbird232ci;118016
Its a hell of alot easier to build a small block chevy than it is a ford. End of story
... and alot cheaper. I think a 383 stroker kit can be had for $500. Try doing that with a Windsor. I still prefer my distributor in the front of the block though.
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Post by: 88turbo on December 11, 2006, 09:34:25 PM
Quote from: Tbird232ci;118016
Its a hell of alot easier to build a small block chevy than it is a ford. End of story
so laziness is the key? :dunno: stupid chevy guys anyways....
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Post by: 84 Fila on December 11, 2006, 09:45:13 PM
Quote from: Tbird232ci;118016
Its a hell of alot easier to build a small block chevy than it is a ford. End of story
But if your going to drive a ford, have the pride to keep a FORD V8 in it.
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Post by: SLEEPER T-BIRD 87 on December 11, 2006, 10:00:52 PM
easy enough to do ;) been there done that
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Post by: TurboRay on December 11, 2006, 10:06:45 PM
Quote from: Tbird232ci;118016
Its a hell of alot easier to build a small block chevy than it is a ford. End of story
Yes it is. But a stock $200 5.0 block will still take a 150 shot allllllllllllll day long.
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Post by: *MAYHEM* on December 12, 2006, 12:19:57 AM
Quote from: 5.0willgo;118009
Unfortunately, I'm sure people have said the same about our monochrome white XR-7s :(
Could be. At least we have black crome for the contrast. The body color trim just doesn't do it for me. Looks like someone was too lazy to mask anything.
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Post by: xr7cat on December 12, 2006, 03:16:00 AM
Ford Tbird "Good", Color "Okay", Engine "Blasphemy", Wheels "Kill Now"
Though it is better that it is not rotting away!
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Post by: Ifixyawata on December 12, 2006, 05:46:18 AM
People have been putting Chevy engines in Fords for over 50 years. Boo hoo.
Title: sigh, T-bird 350 :(
Post by: ipsd on December 12, 2006, 07:09:37 AM
That looks to be one T-bird that would benefit from sugar in the tank. Most chevy guys I know would feel the same way.
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Post by: oldraven on December 12, 2006, 07:29:46 AM
Quote from: ipsd;118066
That looks to be one T-bird that would benefit from sugar in the tank. Most chevy guys I know would feel the same way.
I beg to differ.
Though I'd never do this myself, there are a lot of reasons to go 350, dist. location not being one of them. The fact that there has at one time, in some place, been a 350 under the hood of nearly every car out there means this guy isn't alone with that thought.
And no matter what evil a guy does in his life, leave his car out of it. ;)
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Post by: Haystack on December 12, 2006, 08:08:05 AM
I would think about buying it. Not for $4500. Who honestly cares? If its fast and a tbird, 95%+ or people out there wouldnt know the diffrence. IMHO its like swapping in a 351. The only diffrence is one says ford and one dosent.
At least the guy did something custom instead of throwing in a crate ford racing engine or something of the like. I can respect that.
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Post by: Tbird232ci on December 12, 2006, 03:40:20 PM
Quote from: 84 Fila;118021
But if your going to drive a ford, have the pride to keep a FORD V8 in it.
Honestly, what does it matter? Its like bitching about having adidas insoles in nikes.
Who cares, its only a car.
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Post by: Bird351 on December 12, 2006, 05:29:01 PM
Time to stick a 318 or 360 under the hood of my '88 T-bird just to see how many people get annoyed. :p
Title: sigh, T-bird 350 :(
Post by: 5.0willgo on December 12, 2006, 07:14:26 PM
I know that people have put chebbie motors in fords for years. I also know that its easy and cheap to get a fast 350. However, I don't think it would be worth whatever modifications that had to be made to that engine bay to get it to fit properly.
In other words, it probably cost almost as much to fab it in as it would have to have a decent 302-351. To each his own I guess.
Quote from: Bird351
Time to stick a 318 or 360 under the hood of my '88 T-bird just to see how many people get annoyed.
Screw a 318 or 360- not enough power--> 6.1 HEMI :D
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Post by: Bird351 on December 12, 2006, 08:17:35 PM
Yeah, well which am I more likely to end up with? I have a 97k-mile 318 already in a vehicle here.. :p
Title: sigh, T-bird 350 :(
Post by: 5.0willgo on December 12, 2006, 08:49:00 PM
Quote from: Bird351;118148
Yeah, well which am I more likely to end up with? I have a 97k-mile 318 already in a vehicle here.. :p
I'm not talking about pulling the motor on your Ram! :crazy:
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Post by: Bird351 on December 12, 2006, 08:53:28 PM
Well I might end up doing that at some point.. but not for this reason.
My grandmother wants to keep my father's van, which she's had for the past ten years and is getting a little long in the tooth. It's also an '85, and also has a 318 in it. My current 318 is also a little rough around the edges. At some point I may try to pick up another engine and trans for my truck, and keep/rebuild the originals for a spare available for either vehicle. Of course, it's all speculation at this point.. and also completely irrelevant to the topic. :p
Title: sigh, T-bird 350 :(
Post by: SLEEPER T-BIRD 87 on December 12, 2006, 10:44:54 PM
Quote from: 5.0willgo;118138
I know that people have put chebbie motors in fords for years. I also know that its easy and cheap to get a fast 350. However, I don't think it would be worth whatever modifications that had to be made to that engine bay to get it to fit properly.
In other words, it probably cost almost as much to fab it in as it would have to have a decent 302-351. To each his own I guess.
:D
they fit very easy
Title: sigh, T-bird 350 :(
Post by: fordman3 on December 16, 2006, 04:15:40 PM
I personally like to see same brand motors in same brand cars, too, but sometimes you have to go with what you've got. I remember a year or two ago seeing a '54 F100 with a Nissan 280Z straight 6 in a classified paper. That might just have been unique enough to be interesting. I guess some people do it just for the challenge or to be different, or out of necessity. Running motor in wrecked vehicle number 1, and dead motor in otherwise straight vehicle number 2. It does tend to get a little old to see so many custom rods and pickups with the old 350/350 combo, and each person thinks they thought of it first. Like somebody said, it's probably the cheapest $$ to HP motor to build, and there's one on every street corner. Wasn't there someone on the boards who was going to put an AMC motor in a Bird? That's very original. But one thing I don't think I've ever seen, is a Chevy of any kind running a Ford motor. That must be way more wrong to them than Ford people putting a GM motor in a Ford.
By the way, I wonder how many Bowtie boys know that their big bad Duramax diesel is made by Isuzu?
Fordman3
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Post by: jncocowboyx on December 16, 2006, 04:25:58 PM
it'd be alright if it didn't look tacky as hell.
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Post by: Ether947 on December 16, 2006, 04:57:09 PM
Quote from: fordman3;118671
But one thing I don't think I've ever seen, is a Chevy of any kind running a Ford motor.
I've seen a sweet 69 Camaro running a Ford. I believe it was a 302.
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Post by: 86elan on December 16, 2006, 06:11:14 PM
Quote from: Ether947;118685
I've seen a sweet 69 Camaro running a Ford. I believe it was a 302.
That would be odd. I wish my 69 came with the 302. That was the Z-28 model it came from a 327 block with a 283 crank. I have the 307 (283 block/327 crank) Did you see the engine? Are you sure that's not what it was?
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Post by: HAVI on December 16, 2006, 07:26:01 PM
So would I be wrong to put my IH 345 4bbl into my 88?
PS: Chevy made a 302, also.
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Post by: oldraven on December 16, 2006, 07:58:14 PM
Quote from: Ether947;118685
I've seen a sweet 69 Camaro running a Ford. I believe it was a 302.
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Post by: Tbirdmaniac on December 16, 2006, 08:15:53 PM
You're right guy's, GM was made a 302 at the end of 60's in a Chevrolet division, I completely forget it, But I don't guess it's a chevy 302 on this fox car (the GM 302 is extremely rare)...
Couple of blocks have the same CI in Ford and others such as:
360 Ford truck (390 based) and 360 Chryco 318 based. 427-428-429 Ford's, Gm made a 427 (454) ect....
I found a lot more bizarre cubic inches on My old "motors auto repairs" manuals, that's curious to re-see!!!
Title: sigh, T-bird 350 :(
Post by: Thunder Chicken on December 16, 2006, 08:21:42 PM
While I wouldn't drop a 350 into my car, I'd stick an LS1/2/6/7 and T56 into it in a heartbeat if I had one. Chevies are Chevies and Fords are Fords, but horsepower is horsepower, too. The only reason I'm going with a 351 is because I have one.
I wouldn't stick a Chevy engine into a '69 Boss 429 or anything else worth money, but a dime-a-dozen mid 80's T-Bird that to most people are worth about $200 in s metal? Oh yeah.
Title: sigh, T-bird 350 :(
Post by: Ether947 on December 16, 2006, 08:47:37 PM
I am aware Chevy made a 302... this one had a Ford engine in it. I wish I could find the a link to it.
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Post by: 84 Fila on December 16, 2006, 08:50:08 PM
I personaly liked chevy DZ-302 with the crosram manifold. It was susposed to keep up with the Boss's in Trans Am racing.
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Post by: Tbirdmaniac on December 16, 2006, 08:58:49 PM
A cat is a CAT and a dog is a DOG, putting a chevy engine in a Ford or inverse is like putting a '88 TC nose on a 83 Bird, it;s fit but feel bad to see...
Title: sigh, T-bird 350 :(
Post by: CougarSE on December 16, 2006, 09:26:01 PM
There was a blue camaro with a ford 302 that had a tubular intake that was painted blue.... there was link on this board a year or so ago about it... thats the one antonio is talking about.
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Post by: 86elan on December 16, 2006, 10:55:13 PM
I don't doubt that it's been done, I just don't like it
Quote from: Thunder Chicken;118729
While I wouldn't drop a 350 into my car, I'd stick an LS1/2/6/7 and T56 into it in a heartbeat if I had one. Chevies are Chevies and Fords are Fords, but horsepower is horsepower, too. The only reason I'm going with a 351 is because I have one.
the LS1 is one of the most bad ass motors ever, but just doesn't seem right in a ford. Would be fun to drive though. I'm on ls1tech.com and LS1s in fox bodies are nothing new, but just wrong
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Post by: Thunder Chicken on December 16, 2006, 11:20:20 PM
Quote from: fordman3;118671
But one thing I don't think I've ever seen, is a Chevy of any kind running a Ford motor. That must be way more wrong to them than Ford people putting a GM motor in a Ford.
Eric used to have a pic of a mid 70's Corvette with a 460 in it on CoolCats
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Post by: thunderblue on December 17, 2006, 02:18:34 AM
Quote from: Tbird232ci;118016
Its a hell of alot easier to build a small block chevy than it is a ford. End of story
Yeah, Anybody can build a chevy, It takes a real man to build a Ford!
Somebody should be kicked in the head for doing that to that car!
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Post by: 5.0willgo on December 17, 2006, 08:39:45 AM
Quote from: CougarSE;118746
There was a blue camaro with a ford 302 that had a tubular intake that was painted blue.... there was link on this board a year or so ago about it... thats the one antonio is talking about.
I remember that thread. Lets put a Ford motor into one of Chevy's most prized cars, the '69 Camaro. That was great.
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Post by: daboss351 on December 18, 2006, 09:23:28 PM
i seen a vid online it was a mazda rx7 with a ls1 in it i swear that would def be one of the funnest cars to drive in the vid they just powerslide this thing down a straightaway ill try to find the vid
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Post by: daboss351 on December 18, 2006, 09:27:34 PM
and this is def a bowtie powered vechial id have no problem driving http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoID=970960338
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Post by: Tbird232ci on December 18, 2006, 09:55:14 PM
Quote from: thunderblue;118794
Yeah, Anybody can build a chevy, It takes a real man to build a Ford!
This thread is getting more and more rediculous.
I guess spending more money on parts to make less power makes you manly.
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Post by: daboss351 on December 18, 2006, 10:38:11 PM
well if u want a chevy i want ur t bird lol
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Post by: HAVI on December 18, 2006, 11:17:51 PM
Heck, maybe I WILL put the 345 IH in my 88.
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Post by: Ifixyawata on December 19, 2006, 01:07:57 AM
Quote from: Tbird232ci;119177
This thread is getting more and more rediculous.
You've been noticing this trend lately too?
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Post by: The Hawk on December 19, 2006, 04:07:19 AM
I like the idea of keeping a Ford engine in a Ford.
However......I've often thought that a late model Chevy LS6 crate motor sitting under the hood of a Fox Mustang or T-Bird would make for one hell of a fun car. An LS7 would be even better.
Ford guys can knock Chevy all you want but there's no denying how good those two engines are. I drove a 2002 Z06 Vette for an hour once (LS6 engine....402 HP) and absolutely loved that powerplant. All I kept thinking to myself was "Why can't Ford build a sweet pushrod V8 that pulls like this thing" That thing pulled hard from 1200 rpm right up to 6800 rpm.
Title: sigh, T-bird 350 :(
Post by: Tbird232ci on December 19, 2006, 04:44:40 PM
Quote from: daboss351;119189
well if u want a chevy i want ur t bird lol
You wouldnt be able to afford it.
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Post by: V8Demon on December 19, 2006, 06:02:32 PM
Quote from: Tbird232ci
I guess spending more money on parts to make less power makes you manly.
No it makes someone stubborn....
Where do you get the notion that a Chevy will always make more power than a Ford though? You'd have to compare similar engine sizes i.e 302 to 305 and 351 to 350 and 454 to 460 etc.
Even then there are exceptions......
Also what's harder about building up a Ford as opposed to a Chevy? More expensive? Yeah, usually. I'll go with that, but physically more difficult? NO.
I stick with Ford powerplants because I myself have had better luck with them and they have been more reliable to me. Others may have had a Ford when they were young that was a total disaster and therefore are now partial to GM cars for weekend toys. I don't really like the idea of dropping a GM motor in a Ford. It's unoriginal and been done a million times, but it's not that hard to do and parts are cheap (just like the build quality of GM motors in the 70's and early 80's IMHO)
BTW even if it had a side oiler 427, that car would still be ugly.......
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Post by: HAVI on December 19, 2006, 06:25:48 PM
Whatever happened to the "Cammer" crate engine?
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All I kept thinking to myself was "Why can't Ford build a sweet pushrod V8 that pulls like this thing" That thing pulled hard from 1200 rpm right up to 6800 rpm.
Title: sigh, T-bird 350 :(
Post by: daboss351 on December 19, 2006, 11:48:03 PM
how much u got in ur bird?
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Post by: The Hawk on December 20, 2006, 12:36:09 PM
Quote from: HAVI;119324
Whatever happened to the "Cammer" crate engine?
It's sold through Ford Racing.
And even though it makes good HP, it's just like all the 4.6 mod motors.....it's soft down low torque wise which is one of the primary reasons I'm not a fan of them.
Quote from: daboss351;119384
how much u got in ur bird?
Who?
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Post by: Tbird232ci on December 20, 2006, 03:32:51 PM
Quote from: Paul Flockhart;119317
Where do you get the notion that a Chevy will always make more power than a Ford though? You'd have to compare similar engine sizes i.e 302 to 305 and 351 to 350 and 454 to 460 etc.
Size means nothing. The 305 wasnt meant to be a powerful engine, it was just like our standard output 5.0s. If you want to make the compairison between SO 302 and 305, chevy comes out on top. Then with bolt ons, leaving stock heads, intake, cam, etc, chevy still comes out on top. My buddy has run 14.30's with headers back exhaust, cold air, roller rockers, gears, and a 5-speed in his 88 firebird. You couldnt get an SO to do that unless you go with an HO conversion.
Pull out the HO 302, and bring it out to a 350, with basic bolt ons, yes, the HO will make more power, because it has a much better designed head, and better designed fuel injection, if we're compairing the Tuned Port Injection. The TPI system was better suited for the 305, yet Chevy stuck it on their 350, and even still, it made more power than the 302, more because of head design rather than cubes.
When you get to REAL mods, the 350 shines. My friend who has the 305 also has a 90 T/A clone for his race car. Its a 383 stroker, with cleaned up AFR heads, a baby cam, edelbrock RPM air gap intake manifold, holley 650 thats been warmed over, headers back exhaust, gears, TH400 and a converter. Before the carb work, on the engine dyno, it made 436 horsepower, in the car, it runs 11.60's.
You can build a 347, and do most of the same mods, but they need much more head work to make 400+, you can take a 351, same thing, and you can stroke a 351, and itll still take more work to make that power. Most heads out of the box dont allow these to breath that power N/A.
Then you can bring up the strength. You can get yourself 4 bolt main 350's from the junkyard! Find me a 302 with a 4 bolt main in a junkyard, and youll have a one-of-a-kind.
Im not trying to say im putting a Chevy engine in my Ford, or that i enjoy seeing a Chevy engine in a Ford, Im saying that its a very good idea for someone who wants nothing more than performance. If i cared about only going fast, id have a F-body. And even still, i want an 86-90 firebird.
Quote from: daboss351
how much u got in ur bird?
Just the larger items, about 4000. Thats all mods, not repairs. Thats also not counting parts ive bought that i couldnt use, or all the small trial-and-error parts. You want to get into repairs, ive got probably another 600 there.
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Post by: 86elan on December 21, 2006, 12:40:14 AM
Quote from: Tbird232ci;119450
Size means nothing. The 305 wasnt meant to be a powerful engine, it was just like our standard output 5.0s. If you want to make the compairison between SO 302 and 305, chevy comes out on top. Then with bolt ons, leaving stock heads, intake, cam, etc, chevy still comes out on top. My buddy has run 14.30's with headers back exhaust, cold air, roller rockers, gears, and a 5-speed in his 88 firebird. You couldnt get an SO to do that unless you go with an HO conversion.
There was also many different versions of the 305. For example, my old '84 Z28 had a L69 5.0 H.O. rated at 190hp. The same model year had a LG4 which was only rated at 145hp. And trust me, you can crank up a 305 and get some good power out of them. Mine had a weiand intake, carter 4bbl, comp cam, and headers on an otherwise stock engine with 60k on it and that thing would lay rubber and get sideways in 4th gear. In '88 the TPI 305's (LB9)were rated at 195hp with an auto and 220hp with a 5-speed so comparing that to a SO 5.0 isn't a fair comparison. Now on the other hand there was a TBI 305 (LO3) that was rated at 170hp that would be a little more comparable to the SO 5.0 http://www.thirdgen.org/tech-data
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Post by: Tbird232ci on December 22, 2006, 04:08:02 PM
Quote from: 86elan;119527
There was also many different versions of the 305. For example, my old '84 Z28 had a L69 5.0 H.O. rated at 190hp. The same model year had a LG4 which was only rated at 145hp. And trust me, you can crank up a 305 and get some good power out of them. Mine had a weiand intake, carter 4bbl, comp cam, and headers on an otherwise stock engine with 60k on it and that thing would lay rubber and get sideways in 4th gear. In '88 the TPI 305's (LB9)were rated at 195hp with an auto and 220hp with a 5-speed so comparing that to a SO 5.0 isn't a fair comparison. Now on the other hand there was a TBI 305 (LO3) that was rated at 170hp that would be a little more comparable to the SO 5.0 http://www.thirdgen.org/tech-data
There is a problem with following these ratings. Ive seen 3 different sources, showing 3 different horsepower ratings. Some varying as much as 30 horsepower.
Saying the LB9 made 220 horsepower with a 5-speed is BS. My buddy with the LB9 and 5-speed ran 14.30's with all the external bolt ons minus a throttle body, and under drive pulleys, where as a 5.0 mustang can hit those times with a full exhaust, and contrary to most peoples believe, a f-body doesnt weigh much more than a fox body. Theyre geared almost the same, the transmission gearing is very similar, the weight is similar, and if the power was the same, theyd run similar times.
Title: sigh, T-bird 350 :(
Post by: SLEEPER T-BIRD 87 on December 22, 2006, 06:10:27 PM
305's FTW
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Post by: 86elan on December 22, 2006, 11:20:06 PM
Quote from: Tbird232ci;119717
There is a problem with following these ratings. Ive seen 3 different sources, showing 3 different horsepower ratings. Some varying as much as 30 horsepower.
Saying the LB9 made 220 horsepower with a 5-speed is BS. My buddy with the LB9 and 5-speed ran 14.30's with all the external bolt ons minus a throttle body, and under drive pulleys, where as a 5.0 mustang can hit those times with a full exhaust, and contrary to most peoples believe, a f-body doesnt weigh much more than a fox body. Theyre geared almost the same, the transmission gearing is very similar, the weight is similar, and if the power was the same, theyd run similar times.
This one says 215hp in the 305 back in 1985 http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Features/articleId=66170?imw=Y more hp and trq #'s http://www.geocities.com/mcdamit/engine.htm here are some 1/4 times on some stock or mildly modded cars http://www.missouri.edu/~apcb20/drag.html Here's a good one for a quick reference on 1/4 times http://www.albeedigital.com/supercoupe/articles/0-60times.html here's a quote from a random forum: "Take note that the Iroc and the TA/GTA are able to have the LG4 and L03 engine.. These engines are designed for the RS and the reason why these "top of the line cars", are thought to be slow. The LB9 or Tuned port injected 305 is given a bad reputation because of a certain camshaft used in it. This camshaft is know as the peanut cam. It is the same camshaft grind used to power the 140hp LG4. The TPI 305 when mated to a TH700R4 transmission was given this tastic camshaft. So it only put out around 190hp and usually had 2.7x gears to go along with it. When mated to a Borg Warner T-5 it was given the same camshaft used in the corvette. Bring the horsepower rating up to 220hp. Couple this with the G92 option and you had a 3.45/3.42 rear end with a 9 bolt, a better suspension, an engine oil cooler from the corvette and dual catalytic convertors/dual exhaust and you have a 230hp rated engine pushing around 240 which is the limit of the fuel injectors. Only problem is these cars are hard to find; they were expensive and in Firebird form they weighed close to 4000lbs."
Not trying to fight with ya, I just really had a passion for 3rd gen f-bodys at one point. I actually sold the car in my sig when I was 17 for the '84 Z28 5.0 HO that I mentioned earlier. That was years ago. Obviously I got it back. The Camaro unfortunately is dead. I really loved that car. I wish I had some pics of it that I could post.
Title: sigh, T-bird 350 :(
Post by: V8Demon on December 23, 2006, 01:53:40 AM
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Pull out the HO 302, and bring it out to a 350, with basic bolt ons, yes, the HO will make more power, because it has a much better designed head, and better designed fuel injection, if we're compairing the Tuned Port Injection. The TPI system was better suited for the 305, yet Chevy stuck it on their 350, and even still, it made more power than the 302, more because of head design rather than cubes.
When you get to REAL mods, the 350 shines.
And when you get to your last sentence is where displacement WILL make a difference. Lets talk N/A only (no forced induction)
If one were to take 2 motors that had heads of equal (or as close as possible) flow ratings with similar cams and one was 300 cubic inches and the other 400 (both having an equal number of cylinders, equal compression ratio etc) which one's gonna have more juice?
SIZE MATTERS. Stop living in denial and tell all your girlfriend's and wives you're huge people!:grinno:
Also, show me some torque #'s on those motors as well. *EDIT* found that http://www.phy.duke.edu/~hartley/iroc/iroc_specs.html
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Pull out the HO 302, and bring it out to a 350, with basic bolt ons, yes, the HO will make more power, because it has a much better designed head, and better designed fuel injection, if we're compairing the Tuned Port Injection. The TPI system was better suited for the 305, yet Chevy stuck it on their 350, and even still, it made more power than the 302, more because of head design rather than cubes.
OK 48 more cubes 20 more horse 45 more torque ( not to mention a higher compression ratio ) and better head design is the reason for it having more power than the smaller motor.......I disagree.
Show me a 500 HP 350 and I'll show you a 550 HP 302 and then you'll show mr a 600 HP 350 .......it could go on and on.
And as far as 4 bolt mains.....My buddy's '91 5.0 block from a Town Car has hadover 30 passes and quite a few dyno thrashings to get it at 557 TO THE WHEELS(all motor with a C6 sucking up power).....I'd rather have a 4 bolt, but it's been proven time and time again in a street rod with 450 HP or less, it's not really needed.