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Title: The Irony of this Photo
Post by: CougarSE on November 09, 2006, 04:08:08 PM
(http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m167/CougarSE/deer.jpg)

Those trucks you see (3 of them) are hunters.  Don't look like they are doing so well.  Oh and this is looking down my driveway.
Title: The Irony of this Photo
Post by: 88turbo on November 09, 2006, 04:09:55 PM
maybe they dont want to shoot tword your house?
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Post by: CougarSE on November 09, 2006, 04:14:04 PM
(http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m167/CougarSE/deer2.jpg)

A lil closer.  I took these pictures about 15 minutes ago.

They have bows, they couldn't reach the house if they wanted too.
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Post by: kingcars on November 09, 2006, 05:09:45 PM
Maybe the hunters are too busy....uh....eating their bologna sandwiches?  :grinno:
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Post by: Thunder Chicken on November 09, 2006, 06:00:32 PM
Not a particularly large deer by the looks of it. I wouldn't shoot at it... Well, maybe on the last day of deer season if I was REALLY desperate...

I've got three coming into my yard on a regular basis (and once there were five) but won't shoot them. They've almost become pets, but they're also quite small. Then again they may be taking their chances if they still come around at the end of the season and I still haven't gotten one...
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Post by: DVP on November 09, 2006, 06:43:31 PM
Quote from: Thunder Chicken;112565
Not a particularly large deer by the looks of it. I wouldn't shoot at it... Well, maybe on the last day of deer season if I was REALLY desperate...

I've got three coming into my yard on a regular basis (and once there were five) but won't shoot them. They've almost become pets, but they're also quite small. Then again they may be taking their chances if they still come around at the end of the season and I still haven't gotten one...


WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU!!!!!!!!!!
deer is deer and it all taste good i say shot it and eat good. i dont care how small it is as long as its not a baby. im not one of those hunters you see on tv talking about i let that one go and wait for a bigger one. F that ill take what ever walk my way next weekend.

Deer as pets, what knid of crack you you smoking? never is a deer a pet, think of how good they would taste on the grill, in some chili, mmmmmmmmmmmmm........deer jerky.
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Post by: xr7cat on November 09, 2006, 06:49:46 PM
^^ You brute!!

Don't blame you, my roommate just went home to shoot himself a deer, hopefully I will have so fresh deer meat for the winter.

Daniel
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Post by: Thunder Chicken on November 09, 2006, 11:23:41 PM
Quote from: cougar86_89;112573
WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU!!!!!!!!!!
deer is deer and it all taste good i say shot it and eat good. i dont care how small it is as long as its not a baby. im not one of those hunters you see on tv talking about i let that one go and wait for a bigger one. F that ill take what ever walk my way next weekend.

Deer as pets, what knid of crack you you smoking? never is a deer a pet, think of how good they would taste on the grill, in some chili, mmmmmmmmmmmmm........deer jerky.

Like I said: Last week of the season, maybe. Deer aren't rare enough, and I'm not desperate enough, that I'll waste my tag on a 60 pound deer early in the season. I've shot small ones before, but only late in the season. I'm not saying I'm only after trophies, either (the fact that the largest deer I've ever shot was 175 lbs/9 points attests to that). I would certainly take a shot at a nice doe or a spike/four pointer, but I'm not about to kill a fawn.

As for the deer/pets thing - I grew up in the city. This is my first time living in the country, and I think it's kinda neat to have deer, groundhogs, rapuppiess, eagles, hawks and even skunks visiting my yard regularly. In time the novelty might wear off, but for now I've no desire to shoot those deer (once again, all bets are off toward the end of the season). Besides that, in this province you must be 402 meters (that's about 1/4 mile) from another house to legally shoot a gun. My neigbours are closer to me than that, so I couldn't legally shoot those deer if I wanted to, unless I obtain their permission to shoot a gun that close to their houses. Given that they view these deer as "pets" too, that's not likely to happen.
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Post by: Carl on November 10, 2006, 12:26:03 PM
lol you should of killed it and just dragged the thing back to your house all while they were watching you.
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Post by: capitlj on November 10, 2006, 12:39:02 PM
Quote from: Carl;112720
lol you should of killed it and just dragged the thing back to your house all while they were watching you.


LOL, deer season hasnt even opened here yet about half an hour away.  Oh and you always have to wait for da turdy point buck.
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Post by: merccougar50 on November 10, 2006, 05:02:57 PM
Exactly, there in lies the point of hunting.  Few of us actually deer hunt out of necessity like the indians did.  We do it for fun.  We look foreward to the experiance, out alone in the forest, in touch with nature, a few beer close by, that sort of fun.

Waiting for that one buck, is the point of the game.  At my "hunting camp" I could literally stand on the deck drinking a beer,and kill a dear with a baseball bat.  Yes there are that many, that just going out to kill any old  deer is almost pointless.  Let alone the baby in that picture.  After this weekend I'll post up some pictures of our local deer population at the "hunting camp" which is almost as ironic as the first pic, because we would'nt even shoot at a buck in our front yard.  Where's the sport in that.
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Post by: DVP on November 10, 2006, 05:12:55 PM
Quote from: merccougar50;112751
Where's the sport in that.


ON THE TABLE! i havent got a deer yet so anything is good for me, ive seen a few but i couldnt get a shot at them because they were to far away
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Post by: Tbird232ci on November 10, 2006, 06:10:31 PM
Quote from: merccougar50;112751
ut alone in the forest, in touch with nature


In touch with nature...with a gun.

If you can catch and club a deer, i will give you props. Hiding in the woods and waiting with a riffle. Youre a pansy.
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Post by: Thunder Chicken on November 10, 2006, 06:33:18 PM
Quote from: Tbird232ci;112774
In touch with nature...with a gun.

If you can catch and club a deer, i will give you props. Hiding in the woods and waiting with a riffle. Youre a pansy.

I've actually gotten close enough to deer that I could have clubbed 'em. One time a few years ago I was sitting on the edge of a field and a deer came up behind me (I could hear it). I sat perfectly still, and the noise got louder and louder until it stopped. I turned my head and was literally nose to nose with the deer. I could have kissed it square on the lips without even stretching, and that is no exaggeration. The deer jumped, I jumped, and the deer ran away. It was a doe and I had no doe tag, so I didn't even fire a shot (not that I would've been capable of hitting anything with my heart pounding like that anyway).

I had three fawns walk to within 15 feet of me this evening. I don't think the three of them would've added up to 100 pounds, so I saved my bullets and enjoyed watching them. One of them lifted its tail and shat right in front of me. It's pretty amazing how close those things will get when they don't know you're there. Sooner or later momma or poppa will come out...


Shawn: There's more to nature than deer. While my ultimate goal in the woods is to take down a deer I intensely enjoy watching and listening to other wildlife while waiting for the deer to make his mistake. Bald eagles, hawks, porcupines, owls, skunks, rabbits, a bear once - even mice, squirrels and weasels are cool to watch when they don't know you're watching them. I was sitting cross-legged once and had a weasel run right up and tuck himself in under my leg. He wasn't long in moving once he realized his "shelter" was alive, but it was cool to see - it was the first wild weasel I'd ever seen and I didn't realize they were so small. Another time I had a mole, tunneling through some fluffy snow, run head first into the sole of my boot as I sat flat on my ass. I could hear him squeaking about, felt the "thump", then heard him panic and take off after he hit my boot. I couldn't even count how many times I'd had squirrels run up my back, across my legs, over my feet, etc. A week ago I watched two wild turkeys fighting within 25 feet of me (wild turkeys are endangered here, these were the first two I'd ever seen), and a few days ago I had a skunk stick his nose right under my blind and look up at me (he had been eating the apple peels I had spit out about an hour before). He was inches from my feet. I dunno who was more scared when we made eye contact; him or me. I do know I was never more relieved to see the ass end of a skunk as it was scurrying away without spraying me.

I enjoy it enough that usually after taking my deer I'll continue the season by accompanying somebody else, just to be an extra pair of eyes and to watch nature. Does hunting with a gun make me a pansy? Laughable at best, but surely it's more manly to go out and shoot your own meat than it is to order a Big Mac...
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Post by: merccougar50 on November 10, 2006, 06:52:29 PM
I wasn't saying that I have ever, will ever, or would let someone club a deer with a bat, but I've fed them out of my hands from the corner of my deck.  When they are despirate for food deer will even walk across the deck.  (For those who don't know, it is rare that a deer ventures into a man made enclosed area).  I guess that isn't commen sence to city people, my mistake.

We "pansies" love hunting with a gun so much, that even though our rifle season doesn't open untill 7:15 am monday, at which time I will already be out in the forest, I was already out scouting new locations and making sled trails today.
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Post by: tbirdscott on November 10, 2006, 11:44:06 PM
Quote from: Thunder Chicken;112782
I intensely enjoy watching and listening to other wildlife while waiting for the deer to make his mistake. Bald eagles, hawks, porcupines, owls, skunks, rabbits, a bear once - even mice, squirrels and weasels are cool to watch when they don't know you're watching them


You make me want to go wander in the woods :p I've lived in the county most of my life and the novelty of seeing wild animals 'do their thing' still hasnt worn off. I hope it never will. There is a whole world out there that sadly most of the population will never see off of animal planet. Come face to face with a bear in the woods and you will know what I mean, an amazing experience. Nature can really open your eyes with its pure simplicity and how well it works.


Scott
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Post by: Tbird232ci on November 11, 2006, 08:51:14 AM
I know all about nature. I have 12 acres of untouched woods behind my house, where we have a family of 6 deer, countless rapuppiess, ground hogs, birds, etc etc. I love going out camping, which ive been doing for years. I love nature as much as the next, but im not a big fan of hunting.

I feel that if we cant catch it, we shouldnt eat it.
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Post by: Thunder Chicken on November 11, 2006, 01:59:38 PM
But we can catch it. Coyotes and wolves rely on speed and big teeth. Bears rely on sheer strength. Eagles rely on eyesight and being able to swoop down on their prey. Humans rely on the intelligence to use tools where nature left us short. Almost ALL animals rely on the element of surprise - a hunter sitting in a blind is no different than a lion waiting behind some tall grass for a gazelle to get close enough or an eagle sweeping down on a rabbit. It's not very often that the prey knows it's about to become dinner, else it wouldn't become dinner.
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Post by: 88FoxBird on November 11, 2006, 08:43:21 PM
:stupid: Last time I really got to enjoy nature was down at my aunt's house in WV a year or 2 ago. They have a house sitting on around 20 acres with no one around. I was sitting on the back porch one morning and this doe came around the corner of the house, I sat as still as I could and she walked right by not even noticing me. Makes me really hate living where I do. Although we did have a black bear take a stroll down the street once, that was odd.
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Post by: Tbird232ci on November 12, 2006, 07:50:14 AM
While yes, each animal relies on something for their hunting ability, everything they rely on is part of themselves. As human beings, we are weak creatures, and it seems like by body design, we were meant to be more or less scavangers. If you threw a person out in the middle of a rain forest, butt naked, no food, shelter or tools, theyd live off of berries, fruits, bugs, and things of that nature, because they arnt physically capable of man-handling these animals.

Thats how i see it. I know i wont get anywhere talking about it, since i seem to be the only one that see's it this way.
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Post by: MasterBlaster on November 12, 2006, 09:39:17 AM
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I know i wont get anywhere talking about it, since i seem to be the only one that see's it this way.
Don't worry, you're not the only one that thinks some so-called "hunters" are really just immature little kiddies trying to prove they're "all growed up" by killing some random animal.  :shakehead

Want to bag something bigger? Call one of those "canned hunting" places, where they'll release a semi-tame bear into a fenced-off area, and you can just walk right up and blow it away. If you have shaky hands, they can even chain it to a stump for you, so you can't miss. Guaranteed "trophy", Bwana.
Woohoo, lookit me Maw, I'm a MAN now!! :bs:
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Post by: Beau on November 12, 2006, 10:55:00 AM
Quote from: MasterBlaster;113002
Don't worry, you're not the only one that thinks some so-called "hunters" are really just immature little kiddies trying to prove they're "all growed up" by killing some random animal.  :shakehead

Want to bag something bigger? Call one of those "canned hunting" places, where they'll release a semi-tame bear into a fenced-off area, and you can just walk right up and blow it away. If you have shaky hands, they can even chain it to a stump for you, so you can't miss. Guaranteed "trophy", Bwana.
Woohoo, lookit me Maw, I'm a MAN now!! :bs:

Before this gets out of hand, and runs into some political, don't kill the bambi argument, I want to make a couple good points.

I can see where some of the eastern city dwelling people may not hold with hunting, but it's a matter of natural selection, to counter what Masterblaster said, most hunters wait for a big buck, or doe, as opposed to shooting a little fawn.
"Selection"...

Secondly, deer here are so thick, that each year if a few hundred thousand are killed, it's a good thing, less crop damage, less insurance claims, less people killed or hurt in vehicle/deer accidents, etc..
While I'm on the subject of crop damage, what will happen to the economy if some of the nations wheat or soybean production was harmed by deer wiping it out?  Not good. More dependence on foreign produced good, food, and other stuff.

Third, it's my privilege, and as long I can, I will.
As a landowner, I can legally acquire deer tags to take 3 deer. Will I take 3 deer? Probably not. Will I try to, yes.

I'm all the time seeing/reading/hearing about the "fight" between hunters and anti-hunting people. 
Maybe the anti-hunters need to have the front end of their hybrid Toyota Prius wiped out by an animal they don't understand,  and don't realize what will happen if the population of deer were allowed to run unchecked. Apparently they've never seen the damage an out-of-control, too large population of deer can do.

Now, the purpose of using large rifles is to enable clean, quick kills. Missouri Regulations forbid the use of anything smaller than .40 caliber and centerfire ammunition only.
I have no problem with attempting to take deer with a spear, or club, in fact, it's how our ancestors did it.
Those organized hunts where they go shoot a tied up bear, or whatever...while it may not be "hunting" in it's purest state...IT is common, and legal, although I wouldn't take an animal that way.

And as far as being "immature little kiddies" I'm satisfied in knowing I can outsmart a deer in his own environment, to be a part of the food chain, to have my place in nature.
I don't kill deer because I need some "ego trip"...

One more thing, deer here are around 70-75 bucks apiece to process at the meat locker, regardless of size, and regulations say that any antler deer has to have at least 4 points on side...so why would anybody want to take a small deer?

And personally, I think a well prepared and cooked deer steak tastes better than beef anyway...:grinno:

For all those who oppose hunting, I suggest trying it, take some hunter safety classes, go on a hunt with some people, even if you don't want to take game.
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Post by: MasterBlaster on November 12, 2006, 11:11:19 AM
Nuke the whales! :hick:
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Post by: stuntmannick on November 12, 2006, 01:48:53 PM
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Post by: jkirchman on November 13, 2006, 10:29:28 AM
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If you threw a person out in the middle of a rain forest, butt naked, no food, shelter or tools, theyd live off of berries, fruits, bugs, and things of that nature, because they arnt physically capable of man-handling these animals.

No they wouldn't.  They'd invent tools from things they could find in their surroundings and, using the natural gifts of superior intellect and opposable thumbs, would kill and eat one of those animals that they are not physically capable of man-handling.  And maybe have a berry filled bug for dessert.
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Post by: xr7cat on November 13, 2006, 10:57:03 AM
Quote from: Tbird232ci;112991
If you threw a person out in the middle of a rain forest, butt naked, no food, shelter or tools, theyd live off of berries, fruits, bugs, and things of that nature, because they arnt physically capable of man-handling these animals.


Well if you haven't learned anything from the discovery channel, we would inevitably become like the predators that we originally were (Though we are a pack species), our muscle mass would increase (to take the bigger animals, we would learn to stalk prey, and if out of necessity we would use our hands but most likely sharp rocks.

But yes it would take time and I can understand were you are coming from too.

Daniel
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Post by: capitlj on November 24, 2006, 12:32:16 PM
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People for the
Eating of
Tasty
Animals lol

I have to say that I somewhat agree with the gun position, it is a little bit unfair to shoot a deer with a rifle from 250 yards, but there is always bow hunting.  Besides the population control abilities that a rifle season affords us are more than worth the little tingle of guilt I get for blasting bambi's dad.  Who wants to put a new front end on their car because some concrete jungle dwellers, who don't know shiznit about nature in the first place, think that deer are "cute."  I'm not saying everyone who lives in a city is stupid, but when it comes to life in the country, which btw is where deer live, most don't know shiznit.