For those that didn't know. I'm building a new Cat. The old one has rust and has been twisted.
Here is some pic of the car before and I'll try to update regularly if you'll are intrested.
love ya man you have the car rolling on the frame machine that’s awesome.
Definitely keep us posted! Is this gonna be another turbo beast?
Thanks, Just trying to tie the frame together on this one. It is a Peach, all orginal sheetmetal,hasn't been crashed.
I intalled subframe connectors thur the floor, and welded the rear sub frame crossmember (boxed in)
Have plan on installing a rollbar with swing out(removable door bars) want it to be streetable but safe for the 10 sec passes.
Are you gonna reinforce the torque boxes while you have it on the rotisserie?
That's cool, anyway you could hook us up with some HQ pics? I'd like to get a closer look at the car on that rotisserie.
Nice! Are you going to pilfer the old Fast Cat for this one?
Definatley keep us updated!, and yeah..... Whats with the puny pics?!?!:beatyoass: Bigger and better pics next time huh?:cool:
Isn't it amazing the amount of dust, dirt, and JUNK that falls out when you turn them upside down? :D
Nice ride dude. What are the drivetrain plans for it? If I was putting one on a rotisserie to reinforce the chassis, I'd be shooting for a little better than 10s - I bet you are too. ;)
FYI - I've got a friend with a 414ci SBF that went 5.8s in his Mustang with a plate nitrous kit. It's complete down to the motorplate, electric water pump and Dominator carb, I think he wants $5K for everything. That's a high-8 in the quarter... gonna be tough to go that fast for cheaper. ;)
Keep us posted. Are you going to paint the new one black too? Your current car looks realy sinister, and cool:cool:
The car will be 2 tone and Black is one of the colors
THis car will be a STREET car Air, Air Ride, Cruise Not a stripped Race Car
I'll try to host them so they can be larger ( sorry computer DUMB)
Yes, I'll steal from Fastcat #1 for alot of parts
I bought UPR torque box reinforcments( but I'll have to modify them to fit the cougar ( go figure Fox just not the same)
YES, It will be TURBO for sure.:grinno:
Sweet :D
Here is some LARGE update pic's. I was scoulded for posting small pic.
Here is a pic of the subframe thur the floorpan(http://i13.tinypic.com/3z8soya.jpg)(http://i13.tinypic.com/2i89ooi.jpg)
Here is the eng comp welded up have a few more holes to fix(http://i14.tinypic.com/2r7ujw5.jpg)
I installed what I call a jack rail along the lower part of the rocker pnl
Here is the toques boxes, I welded large thick washers were the ctrl arm bolts go thur the frame, I also have reinfocements but they aren't in yet.
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Sweet. This is going to be badazz when its all done. I'd por-15 the hell out of everythimng while its nice and stripped though!!
Greg-
I usually keep my fabrication comments to myself (I'm not a fabricator - but I'm critical ;)) but those welds are fantastic. That sucker is going to be rock-solid. FoMoCo did us all a favor with the canopy-style doors on these cars too.
Don't butcher Cat#1 though - find a way to get more money. :D Rock on dude.. that's looking great.
That is sweet. That is what I started to do on my '85 but I never finished it (yet, too many projects going)
Is that 2X2 for the through floor subframes?
Now you've done it.. If we dont get pictures of this thing being worked on at least twice a week all of us will cry.
Holy dude that car is going to be STIFF. I don't think that turbo 351 will be twisting that Cat any time soon:cool:
I usually keep my fabrication comments to myself (I'm not a fabricator - but I'm critical ) but those welds are fantastic.
Thanks for the comments. I'm not a fabricator, But I'm cheap and that is the mother of nessecity. I weld almost everday but it is on exhuast so most people don't see it.
The biggest problem is that most of the body joints have seam sealer in them and it ozzeis(spelling?) out when you start welding.
Is that 2X2 for the through floor subframes? No it is 1 1/2 x 2" as you can tell by the pic it is the same size as the subframe.
Holy dude that car is going to be STIFF. I don't think that turbo 351 will be twisting that Cat any time soon.
I hope it will stay straight, this car has a moonroof and I still want it to work smooth.
I guess the size of these pic's is better? LOL
I sure wish your shop was closer to me! You definitely have the right stuff to do the task!
But black two tone, whats wrong with red Cougars?;)
wow, thats alot of seam weldin! better you than me.:grinno:
lookin good
Have has any one wondered if the Stang UPR torque box reinforcements would fit your "Fox Cat/T-bird" ?
Well the answer is Yes if you modify them.
Here is the Minor Mods.
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Had to enlongate the holes on the uppers to get them to fit.
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Cool. I saved my money and just made my own though. Looks the same only I used thicker metal.:cool:
The upper and lower kit was like $75 dollars @ a Stang meet.
I'll have pic of the rest of the install today Maybe
Here is the last pic of the bare floorpan
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Here is the Primered floorpan.
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Here is the painted floorpan.
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Wow that looks great. Keep up the good work.:cool:
Lucky! You need to tell me how you made your subfram connectors so that I can get my Turd all setup too. Nice work!!
Take 1 1/2 x 2.0 in tubing. You can cut them and bend them or run them straight( much stronger). This requires cutting the floorpan.
Then take some 16 gauge to run up to the rear subframe.
If you need any other pic or have questions just ask. By the way the tubing is 11 gauge.
-GREAT WORK!! still lovin' that rotissery. love how you left the cruise servo on...lol...
Man I wish I had the room for that myself.
I want to do something similar to the 84TC since I don't plan on a cage in it. I like how you closed up that "hump" crossmember. I've thought about doing that.
I see you added the rocker lip reinforcements too. I have similar on the 83, but on the inside and then they are tied into the subframe(s) and cage. They make it so much easier to get the car in the air with a jack, esp when it's lowered, and clears out the bottom when it's on stands.
Yeah, I closed the crossmemeber in I figured that would help stiffen up the rear.
The jack rails are just for jacking on. THe car sets so low and if I loose an airbag I can't get to the subframe. Atleast I could get to the jackrail.
I left the crusie control because it will be staying on. LOL
That's what mine are primarily used for, but it doesn't hurt to tie it all together ;)
NICE work!
What are your plans for this car? What drivetrain are you going to be running? What is your target weight? ET/MPH goals? Hell - what color is it gonna be? :D
I really like what you're doing. I've got an '84 that needs some work... ;)
It will be the windsor engine with the turbo setup off my other cougar.
I hope to run Mid 10.00 @ around 135 MPH. The weight is not an issue. The old car was 3600lbs.
The car will be 2 tone. Black is one of the colors and the rest is still in secret.
The car will just be a cruiser/racer. It will have A/C Moonroof,cruise all the goody's
Thanks for the nice coments
Your car is going to look killer. I can't wait to see what it looks like when your done.
Here are some update pic's
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Here is the pass side frt apr0n , Drivesahft loop, and the firewall
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That is WAY too cool.
Fantastic work, and keep us posted on its progress.
Got the engine compt in primer, Need to bled somemore before the paint.
Get some pic up soon.
Very nice work!
Awesome!!!
Here are some pic of the painted eng comp
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Now on to installing fuel lines and brake lines for the weekend
I would have loved to stop by but you were just too far out of the way.
Man, that is SWEET!!
No problem, Hope you had a good trip.
Thanks for the input Guys, I'll keep you posted
Oooooh....shiny.....
I LOVE this thread. This is the first time I've seen one of our cars on a rotisserie. I cannot wait to see how this turns out.
-is it a black thing???:pbb: lol
Hope to get it back on the suspsion tomorrow. If so I'll post some pic's.
Greg what kind of paint did you use on your engine bay? It almost looks like Por-15 or the likes.
Thats what I was going to say!! LOL But I tell you what... Youve been making some INCREDIBLE progress with this thing!! Keep those pics comming!
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Fixed the last pic link for you.
THanks "1WildBird" for fixing my link.
The paint is a single stage urathane made by Dupont.
I have some POR15 for some places in the trunk area and I'm going to coat the inside areas of the rear qtrs.
Here are some pic's of the fuel and brake line install.
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Fuel line
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Here is were the fuel rail goes thur the frame instead under like old car.
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Here are a few more
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Here is the new place for the AirRide tank
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Here is the AirRide comp and control valves
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Here is the topside of the torque box reinforcements
Looks good, So can I bring my car over when your done? or just borrow the cooker? lol
*ponders how I can threaten your life to get you to do that kind of work to an '88 TC chassis I have*
You guys live to far away. LOL
I have a buddies Stang in the garge I'm going to be helping him on later in the year. You could be next. LOL
Always gotta bring up the distance thing, sheesh
Oh well I tried!
Hey I live in North Carolina! That's not too far away from Kentucky. I'm in line after the Mustang. :giggle:
And I'm in line after him! LOL I can drive from WI, no problem!!
And I thought I was doing good by having my engine bay painted!!!
Excellent work. What are your plans for a rollbar/rollcage, if any?
Jim
I'm putting in a 6 point. It is going to set on the raise in the floor were the lower part of the back seat sets. It will be beside the seat and go up to the seatbelt attachement on the C pillar. There will be a sleeve in rollbar that goes thur the bar and attaches were the seatbelt do. The kickers will go back to the package shelf and go thur on the outside of the speakers. It will then attatch to the rear shock mounts.
The frt bars will be swing outs, there will be a stub sticking up for the swing outs to slide over.
The rear cross bar from left-right will be bolt in also. I have to have a rollbar for the ET's the car will be running, but I want the car to remain a streetcar.
Jim, I hope that is enough info on the rollbar. The guy wants the car the 2nd week on DEc, that is coming very quickly.
Later Greg
Only problem with that is bolt in rear hoop bars are not NHRA/IHRA legal, (at least they aren't up here) so you may get booted off the track anyways.
Greg, 1WLDBIRD is right. A removable crossbar will not pass a tech inspection. It might at a test-n-tune, but not at an event. Be sure to post up some pictures when it's done, so I can compare it to mine.
Jim
This thread is great - thanks for the info on the torque-box reinforcements - I need to do that this winter :D
Can you find that info in the NHRA rule book?
I have looked and could not find anything to say it can't be removable?
I'm open for info.
Thanks Guys
Man you work fast. If you do this kind of work for others I think I would make the drive!
If I can ask, what are you using for fuel lines, it looks like they are solid tube, and if so, how do they connect to the fuel pump?
Greg, it is in section 4:11 roll cage. shortened version reads: All rear braces must be welded in.
Jim
Thunder306: A car that in the shop had a "Bolt in rollbar" from Max Motorsports. The cross bar bolts in also? So I felt the removable bar ( bolts in) not pin in? I'll take some pic's of it.
Thanks for the input. I would like to know forsure before I get the bar put in.
Bondocougar: THe fuel line is soft aluim line. You can buy the line from Summit. THey make fitting to go from the aluim line to A/N.
They also make fittings to go from AN to ford quick disconects...
Now Greg, are the fittings to go from the aluminum to AN compression fittings or are they a flare jobby? All I seem to find for a transition from AN to hard line is a Compressin fitting.
Here is a pic of an AN B nut. You can knock the plug out of the end. Then you single flair the tubing. When you tighten the B nut against the fitting and it seals up.
I like the compression type better. You use less fittings with the compression setup. Just my 2 cents
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the enitre rollbar/roll cage itself, can be bolted in and be legal, as long as the footing plates are made of 6"X6" plate steel, but the cross bar itself, MUST be welded to the main hoop to be legal. If you were to roll that thing at the end of the track, the twisting forces put upon it, would very easily shear those bolts off that bar and make it into a weapon. Plus it would allow the roof to colapse easier.
Greg, I think sanctions like the SCCA allow removable bars, but I am not sure.
i'd kill to get a rotisserie... i had to weld up my torque boxes and seem weld the rear subframes on my back, on spider covered gravel getting hot slag in my ear... where did you get yours? when i get a garrage, that and a lift are the first things to go into it lol... very sweet job btw, looks great.
Well, I'm going to make my cross bar removable. If I can only run Test/Tune so be it. Thanks for the input.
Nate; I built the rotessire. Thnaks for the kind words.
Here is a teaser of the color combo
(http://i18.tinypic.com/2z9fcwp.jpg)
Here is the new Keyless entry
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I'm working on the door seal plates also
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Here is a shot of the engine compartment
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Oooooh! You're keeping A/C! I like it! The orang/black screams Halloween a little too much though.
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hey whats this keyless pad from? Looks like an explorer or something. I only ask cause I just bought an 05 explorer and was looking to add keyless to it and could only find a cheesy looking one.
yours looks like the factory one
Aerobird; Yes it will scream (LOL) No the paintis only the base coat, I think it will look good when it is cleared.
Thunder306; Yes the keyless entry is from a exploer
Yes, I'll be keeping the A/C. THat is a MUST for a black car in Ky thanks to the humidity.
Well hope you are ready,
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It took the car tonight to get the roll bar installed.
Here is the side shot. It is all paint, no vinyl, no emblems.
http://i16.tinypic.com/4caikuv.jpg
VERY NICE !!!!!! You're doing a great job so far.I'd say I'm envious,but I'm too jealous to be sure.
you stole muh visionnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn. :(
oh well... it looks badASS!
Dude that looks so awesome.... can't wait to see it all together!!
MORE PICS!! lol jk
Wow, that paint is really BOLD. I think I like it. I need to see more to be sure. A friend of mine has been doing some of that "real fire" airbrush work, it looks really neat in your letters like that.
What color is on the top? It looks like HOK Tangelo Pearl on this monitor, or something very similar.
That's cool!
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Thanks Guys.
The top color is a Dupont Color Hot Hue Tango.
Badass.
Hol-Ly-shiznit! That is amazing
You need to get that car going!
Are you serious? :nkhk:
It's obvious he's just been sitting around NOT working on the car. :dunce:
Look the post dates with all the pics from the beginning of this thread. He has been kicking ass on the project!
Ok Greg, my next trip to Mississippi is going to be the Looong way around.. realisticaly only 2 hours or so out of the way.. but oh man that would be so worth it...
I watch this thread over a month, and I like this, great job, great work, near perfection restoration, this remain Me in 1983 when I rebuilted My entire Mercury Cyclone spoiler 1970, a lot of job...
Nice work man!...
Hope to see here when You put on the road:dunce:
Have a nice Day,
I'm working only on the car @ night and the weekends. The work has been all me. My son is 12 and he helps when he can on what he can.
Here is some shots of the rollbar.
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Nice love the two tone. only thing i would change is but the ELIMINATOR back on the panel and not did the lines to were the r was by the corner. BUT it's not my car and thats your vision.
i want to do a two tone with the charcoal gray and black
Great work,Man.Keep it up.
Here are some more of the rollbar.
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okay. I'm about to say something that is about to probobly iritate a bunch of people. here it is.... I don't like cougars(ducks punches) I have never found them apealing to the eye. but both of your birds are real good looking beasts. you may single handedly change my outlook on cats.
by the way do you have any pics of the turbo setup in the old car?
Hey this is a FREE world, I helpfight too keep it that way.
Here are some pic of the orginal turbo setup on the old car. I didn't want to loose any asscories(spellin) so that's why it is mounted in the fender well.
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Baby wipes....a MUST for the garage! Lookin good!
I don't have baby wipes,but,I ALWAYS have boixes of rubber gloves.It's nice to just pull the gloves off and have clean hands when I'm done working on the 'Bird.My wife doesn't have to worry about the grease stains on everything anymore while I'm trying to get to the sink to wash my hands.
That is the only thing I got when my kids were in diapers. The containers stack very well.
To give you an ideal my youngest son is 10 years old now. I fill them with nut, bolt or whatever.
dude you've been kickin ass and taking names on this thing. Progress is amazing. I'm diging the new paint.
Thanks, I'm trying.
I'll keep you'll posted.
can i be ur son lol, god man that thing is gorgoues, i need my stang to be done like that at least to get it undercoated so it doesn't rot. Man never been a big fan of cougars, i like them, but loved birds and stangs more, but that one is ****in insane love the paint.
Very nice work. I like the colors combo you selected for the paint. Thanks for the inspiration. Maybe this will motivate me to go out and install those gauges I bought last year. Jason.
Yourm mailbox is full.The light is in route.
How the Hell do you get to the old PM to delete them? Mine only shows like the past 2 weeks?
HELP
Here are some pic of the rollbar after being powdercoated, the suspension swap and the powdercoated tranny case.
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Wicked nice !!!
Hey my/your taillights showed up yesterday.
Thanks
Oh,I forgot about that.I hope they will help,if not,you still have them for trading or whatever.Glad to help you.
Looking good! What rear suspension is that and what brakes?
THe lower control arms are Steeda for a New Edge car(99 up stang).
THe upper are a BASELINE Suspensions. They are supposed to really help on the track and the street.
The rear brakes are off of a Lin Mark 8 swapped over to a 8.8 housing with SN95 stang axles 31 spline and an Exploer center trac lok with 31 spline and extra clutch disc for more grippstion(traction).
that thing is gonna be nasty
Greg, your car is looking awesome man.
Like to hear more about the air suspension. Those bags look pretty fancy. Where'd you get the struts and how much were they?
Lookin good,You should be proud.
4.6 T bird; The air ride came from AirRide Techonolgy. The kit was designed for a SN95 Style strang. I had to modify the caster chamber plates. The reat fit pretty well.
The kit was $2300 with E ride and the frt air struts. You can get air bags for the frt and it makes it consdible cheaper.
Thanks Guys
Fast cat you should post in the at the track section i think your car would take number one of the forum.
sweetness! I can't wait to see your finished product. Looks good
I wish I had your budget.I'm building my car on a $1700.00 budget.
When you are doing most of it your self that helps the budget ALOT.
I've paid for the paint,rollbar and powdercoating. THe rest is on me.
I also bought the Baseline Suspion stuff.
Right now,I need to locate a TC header panel,and a passenger side fender.That's it,then I'll get the bodywork finished and out to paint.This weekend,weather permiting,we're swapping in the engine.After that,it's all easy.
Here are some pic of the rear susp.
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That's pretty.Nicely done.Where did your tailpipes come from?I need to get a set for my car once the engine is installed.2 1/2 inch if possible.
Greg what is the point of the "red thing"? Does it allow the use of mustang uppers? Is that for better geometry?
thats a nasty four bar set up.
CougarSE; The red upper relocate the upper arms giving the ctr arms more leverage on the reaend to plant the tires better, also changes the instant center off the car keeping it from hitting the tire hard and then unloading the tires. ?????? Time will tell if it will work well on the Cougar.
Vinnie; The tailpipes are for a Stang, they are 2 1/2 in Mandrel bent.
They were straight out and I added the turn downs.
So,did the Stang pipes fit well without any mods,other than the tips?Thanks.
Yes, They fit well. I also run an Exhaust shop/Dyno shop so this helps. LOL
Not sure if you saw this in another post - but these 2 1/2" tailpipes http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=FLO%2D15814&N=700+0&autoview=sku + these 13" long tips http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=FLO%2D15362&N=700+0&autoview=sku seem to do the trick.
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Just an option...sorry for the hijack...
O.K.,I'll get a set of the pipes.Now,if they don't work,you'll refund my money,riiiiiiiight??? LOL!!!
So long as you are willing to cut and weld a bit :P
(edit: the rear hangars on Mustang tailpipes don't work so you have to cut them off and weld tabs onto the tips to hang the tailpipes)
Nice airbags in the back! Who are they made by?
http://www.foxtbirdcougarforums.com/showthread.php?t=11024&page=13
Greg, I've been watching this thread with alot of interest, and I gotta say the car is lookin great! :bowdown: I've been in the planning stages for this spring to do some rotissere work myself, but I have a question. Was there any concerns/problems/issues with leaving the front and rear windows on the car?
I didn't want to remove the windows, but was concerned there might be issues with the windows either poppping out, cracking, or seals pulling apart that could cause leaking. I will be welding in subframe connectors before turning the chassis to minimize twisting though.
What are your thoughts?
I would weld the subframe connectors 1st. I left the frt and rear glass in my car. I also left the doors on while it was on the rotessier.
Hope this helps.:D
Fastcat with your 351 what afr heads did you use? When i build my 351 up i wanted a set, not sure which ones will give the best performance for street strip use. Not gonna turbo/supercharge mine though, i just want a bad ass small block chevy killer. And i can't wait to see that thing done man tis gonna be sweet!
I used the AFR205 heads. If I was going to build a naturally asprited 351 I would use the 185's. The 205's would kill the low end without a poweradder.
Thanks, Trying to get the dash and interior back in. I'll post pic when I get some more done.
thanks I apreciate that, yea i want to be able to run it all N/A so i can have a small block from hell, 408w stroker
408's are block eaters. The rod ratio makes them relly hard on the blocks. Short life. Go with a 393 or a 383 windsor. Just my 2 cents
15ci makes that big of difference? i thought i was playing it safe staying away from a 427w stroker, i heard they could be stroked out that much. i guess ill do a 393 then. How much power do you think it would push with just being stroked, and the mods in my sig?
Carb and T5 car whould make around 360-380 RWHP with a streetable 9.5-10.0 comp.
THATS IT! wow im disappointed i was told i should be high 300's right now.
LOL!! You're not even close! I'd guess somewhere between 280-320 rwhp depending on cam. 700cfm isn't flowing that much HP. For comparison my last AMC was this:
360, stock dog-leg heads (outflowing your ported heads by a lot), Performer Air-Gap, Reed flat-tappet cam, stock bottom end (8.5:1, fresh rings/bearings and ARP rod bolts), 780cfm Carter, Hooker long tubes, etc. put down about 350HP to the wheels with a 727 Torqu-Flite trans. That engine is 9ci up on you, larger bore, better heads, bigger valves, and a bigger carb.
I highly doubt you're anywhere over 300 without a truely radical cam, and it sounds like a plain, low duration, low-lift, flat-tappet one to me.
Daboss,That's the way it goes sometimes.Take your time plan things.A lot of people just start bolting things together and don't get anywhere.Bigger isn't always better.
its not a flat tappet, its a hydro cam, im pretty sure, its more on the radical side. the heads were just something my dad did to open it up more. only really stock parts are the block, heads, pistons, rods, and crank. everything else has been replaced, looks like im putting performance mods in it before it gets on the road then, i got chevy ass to kick
Hydraulic flat-tappet. It doesn't have roller lifters, so it's not a roller cam. That also limits the amount of duration and lift it can possibly have, and the "aggresiveness" of the ramps. Post up all the parts and all the specs in a NEW thread and I can help you out.
yea sry for the hyjack, i'll call my dad and find out what i can.
I call the math people use on figuring there HP to be "Summit Math"
This intake is 20 hp,the cam is 15hp the air filter is 10 hp . I had 225 to start off with so now I have 270 hp. Not the case.
I've had 347 with good heads,cam and intake with a stick behind them only make 310-340 Rear wheel HP.
# can be misleading. Don't get hung up on a # some combo just work better than other.
I really just need to get it dynoed, how did getting the interior in go?
Had some bad new last week( a good Friend passed away) I had to be a Pall bear so I've been trying to take care o some of his stuff and make sure his wife is OK.
So I haven't had a chance to get my interior in.
Sorry to hear that man, it sucks losing someone close to you. Hope everything goes well for his family.
Well, I'm still working on her. Just have alot of little stuff to finish up.
Nothing great to take pic of.
I know how you felt with the whole friend thing i lost a friend of mine too recently. And you better get some pics up when its all done!!
O.K. I finally got some pic of my progress.
Powerplant
(http://i12.tinypic.com/2wltxza.jpg)
Engine Bay
(http://i10.tinypic.com/2sbap1z.jpg)
Motor/Trans ready for install
(http://i3.tinypic.com/2cymu7t.jpg)
Here are some more pic's.
Engine in;
(http://i13.tinypic.com/2usifm0.jpg)
Oil Cooler ETC;
(http://i12.tinypic.com/2z6yp0w.jpg)
Shot from underneath;
(http://i7.tinypic.com/33aqxzt.jpg)
GAh I'm coming over and stealing your car when you are done with it. So amazing. Your work is top notch.
WOW !!! That's very impressive.You're really doing some quality work.You're miles ahead of me with your car.Very inspiring.
very nice man, keep going with it.
Wow Greg! Awsome!
Why the mustang booster?
The mustang booster helps on getting to the #8 plug and such.
Thanks Guys I'll keep ya posted.
Figured the sunshining would help to get me motavated.
man thats a nice powerplant, and everything just looks so perfect! Must be nice to have money! Can't wait till i get my next project(turns out the mustang was gonna cost me almost 4k a year to run as a daily driver so i said to hell with that, and i should by the end of this week be the proud owner of a 88 lincoln mark 7 lsc) Keep up the good work!!
I have worked long and hard. THe old cougar I've had for 10years.
When I bought it there was 179K miles on it.
I have built my my a new house while my old car set idel for 2 years.
Then I built the motor that is pic and installed it in the old (Black) cougar.
So now I have the time and ablity to build the new car.
I have done all the work myself expect for the; airbrush work, trans rebuild, and the rollbar.
That helps to keep the cost lower(not cheap) just lower.
I'm 40 years old with 2 kids and it not easy. My oldest son loves to help on thecar and my wife loves cars also. THat helps a bunch.
THanks for the kind words.
so you got it made a wife and kids that understand and are part of the hobby, and from what it seems you deserve it all man. Can't wait to hear how she does at the races!
I'll be 40 this June,I know where you're coming from.I just keep pecking away until I get it where I want it.One piece at a time.I should have my heads and valvebody soon.That'l be two steps closer.Roll bar?i won't need one of those (now watch,I'll flip my car tomorrow and eat those words,LOL).One really doesn't have to spend a lot to accomplish a lot.It just takes patience,a LOT of planning,and the desire to do good work.I have a notebook that has 3 column in it.One,my "Wants/Needs" list.Second,my "What I need to do" list.Third,my "What I already have" list.It helps me blueprint what I'm doing and keep track of the "plan" I have for my car.I see a lot of people building their car and just throwing things on for a temporary fix when for just a few dollars more,they could've done the job right and been done with it.No planning.Anyway,enough of all that,Again,you're doing a great job,keep it up.
still waiting for the sunshine here. Meanwhile I drool over your car.
Yeah, I spoke to soon about the sunshine, It went away this week and the temps dropped to the mid 30-40's again.
I'm ready for spring.
Going to try and get the turbo's mounted today.
Um, you use a
"turbo's" as in plural. LOL.:D SWEET! When did you decide to change to twins?
Greg,
That is one wild and crazy car your building. Kinda puts mine to shame. Yes, doing things yourself really helps lower the cost. It also helps when you find really good deals on parts/ family support and have the ability-desire to do things yourself. I like your color combo :D I too have the "3 list" thing going on, wife continually wants to know what I have to do to get the car put together and "How much is it all going to COST?" sheeze, gimme a break ;D
Looking forward to seing your beast completed.
Would you happen to have plans for your rotissiery ????? I can get whatever steel I need from where I work :evilgrin:
John
My wife simply sez get that thing outta here or I'll have it hauled away.
1BadBird; I can send some pic of the rotisser, I modified it to work on the cougar. Eastwood sells them you can see pic of theirs.
1Wld Bird; Quick run down of the power plant; Here goes had a 383CI windsor with a single 70 turbo @ 678 RWHP the stock block split,
Buy a World Product "Man-O-War block. Made it 4.125 over bore, which make the engine a 400 CI engine. The extra CI was spinnning the gutts out of the single turbo. With no room to add a larger framed turbo the only thing that made since wast just to add another 1.
Below is some pic of the turbo's
Here is some pic from the front of the car.
(http://i11.tinypic.com/35jbgok.jpg)
(http://i17.tinypic.com/3yer19v.jpg)
(http://i11.tinypic.com/2vmcwvm.jpg)
Nice work ol' boy.There's something VEEERY familiar about that front bumper cover.Hmmmmmmm,what could it be????
May I just say HOLY ! :D
So If I fly out to where you live, will you at least give me a ride in it? :D
I plan on being @ this years CATJAM. I will have to see what gas is then and I can tell you how much each ride will be. LOL
Will be better than a ride at Disney World.
Atleast I hope it will be .
Thats hot.
What kind of scavange pump are you using to suck the oil out of the turbo's and where did you get it?
What's your plans for a hood? By the looks from that picture it seems a stocker won't work.
I have made (still working onit) a steel cowl hood.
The turbos just drain back to the oil pan.
oh, my bad. From the pics it looked like they are too low to just drain back.
well...... Where are the pics of that?!?!.... lol
you have done a nice job. I have little to no mechanical knowledge. I work in a Body Shop and you my friend have done a magnificent job on the paint. That Dupont Hot Hue Tango is a nice Color, I have had the privilege once of painting with it. I do alot of work with the Single and Dual stage blacks too. Did you do the airbrush work on the Eliminator lettering?
Greg...that is a very nice build you have going on there! Very impressive!
More pics please:D
If you bring that to cat jam, and give rides, I FREAKING WANT ONE!!!!!!!! Or i want to atleast see it!
Sounds a lot like my family. We're approaching 9 years with dad's Chevelle now (he's 45). He has 2 kids also; me and my sis. He has been in the heating/AC business for 25 years. The family will help pitch in on the car, but as far as the nitty gritty work, it's mainly dad, his brother, me, and his friend who does a lot of body work and painting. Hopefully the 383 will be in this weekend and NOT lose oil pressure this time!!! But it sounds like you have a solid, stable household and that's increasingly rare these days. I can only hope that I'm able to provide as well for my kids as my parents have for me.
Anyways, amazing work on the car...it's gonna be a MONSTER!! :evilgrin:
That is awesome! What intercooler is that? I have one that looks just like it.
Looks to be an ebay unit. I have the same one.
Kingcars, Keeping a stable houshold helps.
Ethan947; Yes the intercooler is from Ebay works Great so far
Cougrr302; No, I did NOT do the airbrush work. A buddy did the airbrush work. I can't draw a "StickMan" or color inside the lines.
LOL
83-88 T bird Man; You are close enough you can come and see it. I hope to make a couple trips down Hardinsburg track in MAY? Keep your fingers crossed.
Did you mount the rotisserie to the bumper mounts? Was wondering if they would be strong enough. (Just spec'd out my buddy's rotisserie, just need to make the attachments.) Like the twin turbos, too.
Greg,
I just read this whole thread and the only word that comes close to describing what you've done is unbelieveable. I couldn't have even imagined how much work that is. On top of it the way you talk about it is way cool like "I'm not a fabricator-but I'm critical" It will be awesome to see the finished product
Many kudos,
Mike
Havic; Yes, I used the bumper struts to hold the car. I had all the interior and front and rear suspion out of the car. I left the door on for support. I was scared at first that the bumper struts would hold but they did great.
Mike, Thanks, I just want people to understand you can do anything if you put your mind to it. With some proper guidence. I have no practiacal training on any auto repair stuff.
Here are some pic of the hood
(http://i19.tinypic.com/4hutyxh.jpg)
Just to get the hood to shut.
(http://i15.tinypic.com/34f07bl.jpg)
The powerplant with out sheetmetal
(http://i11.tinypic.com/308cpyc.jpg)
Here is the trunk area;
(http://i11.tinypic.com/40m7ayw.jpg)
Rollbar thur the package shelf
(http://i19.tinypic.com/42jfhg4.jpg)
More work on the keyless entry;
(http://i14.tinypic.com/2h4xc36.jpg)
man that motor belongs in a museum! Its beautiful!!!
Man, That was the most exciting thing I have seen all day.
That's a HUGE charge tube! I guess two turbos push quite a lot of air. Not sure if you're making it or not, but I definitely look forward to seeing that car at CJ this year, man!
Watching this post makes me want to just give up on my project! Your car is turning out very nice and I'm sure it will be getting the recognition it deserves.
Jim
Yes,
I plan on being @ the CATJAM. I would like to make it to the Cougars @ Carlina(spelling).
THe reason for the 4in inlet pipe it keep blowing the pipes off @ the MAF. The inlet pipe is now aluim because I could buy a MAF to weld right to the pipe.( less silicone adapters)
Suprised nobody ask me about the parts in the trunk.
Stuff in the trunk is for the air ride right?
Didn't even see parts in the trunk, but what are they for?
ThunderJet; is right about the stuff on the left and right of the trunk
Keep looking?
What is that bar in the back not connected to anything?
Looks like some kind of hard core sway bar he hasn't got around to mounting underneith.
It's amazing how fast this thing is coming together. You're definitely one hell of a craftsman! I wish I could go to Catjam to check that ride out. I'd give ya 10 bucks for a ride around the block, heheh...
Those AN fittings must've cost ya a few bucks. I spent around $100 on just two Aeroquip 90's and two 45's along with about 4 ft of -4 braided line. Are you using Aeroquip or Earls? Do you do your own aluminum welding? I used to work in a trailer shop and never could weld aluminum worth a ... Definitely takes some skill.
... and I have no idea what the bar for is in the trunk.
That would be my guess as well, an adjustable rear rollbar.
You are right, Well partly. It is an ANTI ROLL BAR. It is a new design
it is made to clear tailpipes. Most of the current roll bars mount to the outer frame rails which limits the clearnece over the axel for the
tailpipes.
I will mount the roll bar to the roll bar plates in the trunk, the arms will drop thur the trunk floor and attach to the rear end.
Hopefully it will help launch the car ina straight line. Hope to find out soon.
I'll keep you'll posted.
Man alive that car is gonna be awesome. Painting isnt exactly difficult, I gotta break out the ole airbrush, I plan on doing some custom flames on the hood of my daily. I draw in my spare time though, so it kinda comes natural. How about I paint any car you want for the rest of time for free and you build me an engine;)
Sure, When are you going to get here?
I hope you will be happy with a 306? LOL
Give me directions! 306 works for me! You gonna install it too:D
Any updates?
I've been busting my butt trying to get the car together for the
40th Cougar show.
I got the rest of the car painted last weekend.
Got the powdercoated rollbar welded in for good.
I have all the fuel system in and leak checked.
Got the dash back in and the wiring all connected back up.
Ran extra relay to power all asscoriers. It is feed from the battery
30 amp swithed and ran to an 8 circut fuse panel.
FIRED THE ENGINE JUST A HOUR AGO.
Now on to finishing wet sanding and buffing.
Will try to post some pic later in the week.
Wow man thats awesome. But pics simply wont cut it when dealing with such an amazing piece of machinery. Must...take....videos! :D I bet it's a monster.
Greg: I hope someday I get to see your car. It should be magazine worthy, no doubt! Alan
Cougar86 89; Does someone make a hood like that?
If so i would like to know "WHO"? Is it a business.
I'm going to get this hood straight and then make a fiberglass mold
to make a fiberglass hood.
I've used about 3/4 a gallon of bondo to get the hood flat. I'm afraid it won't stay.
I will take some pic this aftenoon of the car.
No videos yet.
I dont think anyone makes it i remember reading in a thread about someone(i think it was 1wld bird) that was going to make one or wanted to make one. I could be wrong though.:dunno:
I think you're right, RJ (1WldBrd) made a fox Cowl hood but it didn't have TC scoops, I don't think. He made it out of 2 stock fox hoods and some welding.
I *think* i remember him saying he was going to try his replica TC scoops in that hood. Again i could very well be wrong but for some reason i recall someone wanting to do that and for some reason my memory keeps telling me it was him. :dunno:
yeah, I made one, but I haven't had time to finish it. The scoops are welded in now and all it needs is a skim if body filler and paint it, and it is done. I will get some pics up tomorrow for you if you would like.
I noticed at this site, http://www.musclecarrestorations.com (http://"http://www.musclecarrestorations.com"), they have a build album of a bad ass bird. They didn't show it in car, but they show a pretty wild TT set-up on a stand. But the point of my post is they modified a fiberglass cowl to use stock TC scoops.
That hood looks great.
But the problem I have with those fiberglass hoods is I need more room all the way across the hood not just in the center rise they have.
so is it all painted yet?
THe car is painted but the hood is not.
I'm floored every time I look in this thread. Amazing doesn't even come close.
i know you did this on your first cat, and it looks like your doing the same on this one...but why do you use a thunderbird front bumber and shorten up the grill instead of just using a cougar bumber? :dunno:
i know you did this on your first cat, and it looks like your doing the same on this one...but why do you use a thunderbird front bumper and shorten up the grill instead of just using a cougar bumper? :dunno:
I'm going to take a guess and say it is for his intakes for the turbos. know of any cougar bumpers with the fog light openings?
Cause it looks better. ;)
We need pics, man. I wanna see it painted and stuff :D .
Love the hood!
I like the pointed bumper of the T bird better than the cougar bumper.
Just make it diffrent.
This car has a turbo coupe bumper cover instead of a LX bird bumper.
I needed the extra room on the side for turbo pipes. I could trim the lower sections off of the fenders and then be covered up by the Turbo bumper.
RJ was who i was talking about
Here are some pic of it painted.
(http://i15.tinypic.com/6ce8pkh.jpg)
A look inside,
(http://i18.tinypic.com/4mameed.jpg)
The rear
(http://i16.tinypic.com/53yjfk7.jpg)
Mother of god, that is amazing. I wish and dream that my car is 1/1000 as nice as that one day. Great work man and keep it up
P.S. who's on the dirtbike
im gonna guess a son, man it looks sweet cant wait to see it all polished up!!
and i want those wheels with a passion....... i need to find some
very nice man, I like how you used the old 67 style script on the trunk. I have a nice complete gold set of '67 XR-7 badges that will be going on the '88 XR-7 when it gets here.
Looks like you were in the process of wet sanding it and buffing it out.
Yes, that is one his boys on the bike. He's got a nice place.
I really like that paint scheme. Let me know when you plan on leaving. I might follow you up, just not 100% if I'm going or not. I would at least love to see the car with the new paint. Script is a very nice touch indeed.
And make sure your spare is locked down good ;)
Hey Vic,
New trailer, so the spare is inside.
Let me know if you are going or not. I might leave late Thur and possible stop in Cinn. Then go on up with Ed and You'll then.
Let me know.
I'll give Ed & Ray a call. Ed doesn't usually set a time when he goes, he just goes, but I'll see what I can find out. I really hope to go, and if I take a cat with me, it will be trailered. I've learned my lesson with the last trip. ugh.